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bluemonkeytri
Nov 20, 09 10:17
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Americans are steadily shifting blame for the economic woes of this country....
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....according to this poll.
http://www.cnn.com/...recession/index.html
Let's face it, both parties and every politician in DC is and has been complicit in the raping of America. Neither side of the aisle has clean hands in this. But further evidence that the Dems could have a hard time next election.
www.momslasagna.org, because Every Bite Saves a Life.
peter826
Nov 20, 09 10:26
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If you listen to some, you'd think Obama took over with a great economy and 3% unemployment.
I don't agree with some things he and Geithner have done, but then I didn't expect things to turn around immediately, either. The Dems will bear the brunt of ALL of it in an electoral bloodbath next November if things (read: JOBS) aren't much better by next summer.
bluemonkeytri
Nov 20, 09 10:48
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Again, I am not assessing blame to one party/administration or the other. They are all to blame. This just goes to show how short-term the general public's thinking has become (in my opinion). I don't agree with hardly any of Obama's economic policies, and certainly think they have made matters worse (or will), but you are right. The economy wasn't great to start and that is on the shoulders of the previous bunch.
www.momslasagna.org, because Every Bite Saves a Life.
big kahuna
Nov 20, 09 11:26
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Like the sign I saw at that 9/12 march on DC said: It's time to flush ALL the turds ;-)
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Cavechild
Nov 20, 09 11:32
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If you listen to some, you'd think Obama took over with a great economy and 3% unemployment.
Why the Dems are going to lose big in 2010 isn't because of above. They are going to lose big because when they took over Congress in 2006, the economy was good, and unemployment was low.
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Nov 20, 09 11:45
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It makes no difference who wins. Both sides will continue to rape us.
"They are all crooks, both sides of the aisle."
Fleck
Nov 20, 09 11:45
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This just goes to show how short-term the general public's thinking has become (in my opinion)
Bingo.
And most politicians of all political stripes, have geared what they talk about and what they do to fiddling at the fringes of issues and
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Notice I did not say all politicians. There are a few out there these days that have vision and a long term look at things, but they rarely get elected. It's hard to campaign with bad news - " Sorry, folks, but for the next four years we are going to have to
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taxes significantly, yes, you heard me right, to help us all get through this financial mess and get things back on track" Good luck trying to win an elected office at any level with that sort of platform.
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bluemonkeytri
Nov 20, 09 12:01
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Yep, that's the "long con" politicians play. Pass legistlation that looks good, but takes affect waaayyy past the time they may be out of office, and in the meantime put in plenty of exemptions. Look hard at just about any car MPH or emissions bill and you'll see this.
www.momslasagna.org, because Every Bite Saves a Life.
Mito Chondria
Nov 20, 09 12:11
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Re: Americans are steadily shifting blame for the economic woes of this country.... [bluemonkeytri]
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Let's face it, both parties and every politician in DC is and has been complicit in the raping of America.
While I agree that most are doing this country and the Americans injustice, I strongly feel that there is one Congressman in particular that has a track record to proof that he is not raping America. Ron Paul. And he was ridiculed by the controlled media, both parties, and the American people. Go figure. Americans had vote.
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Johnny99
Nov 20, 09 13:21
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I prefer to call it "prostituting" America. If you want it, it isn't rape. Politicians hand out the free money and shit because that's what people want.
big kahuna
Nov 20, 09 15:09
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Politicians hand out the free money and shit because that's what people want.
Mainly because the vast majority of the people that are on the receiving end of all those goodies aren't paying net income taxes anyway. It's no skin off their backs when taxes are jacked up or some other new "fee" is imposed because they'll still be getting their income tax refund at the end of the tax filing season and they'll be benefitting from those nice government programs, along with subsidies (that you and I are paying for) to pay for the fees and taxes imposed to cover the costs. Where's the downside for them?
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FJB
Nov 20, 09 15:49
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Why the Dems are going to lose big in 2010 isn't because of above. They are going to lose big because when they took over Congress in 2006, the economy was good, and unemployment was low.
Do you honestly think the economic performance of the country is due to the Democrats and that things would have been different with Republicans in control?
If so, please explain how that works.
peter826
Nov 20, 09 16:03
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If you listen to some, you'd think Obama took over with a great economy and 3% unemployment.
Why the Dems are going to lose big in 2010 isn't because of above. They are going to lose big because when they took over Congress in 2006, the economy was good, and unemployment was low.
What policies did the Dems enact after taking Congress in 2006 that precipitated the fall? I'm not remembering anything that stands out, but my memory isn't great.
If you're thinking of the subprime crisis, home sales peaked in 2005 and things were already getting ugly by 2006, depending on the market you live in.
qqqq
Nov 20, 09 16:13
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http://www.govtrack.us/...e.xpd?vote=h2006-398
yeah those 4 rep votes against raising FHA loan limits really proved they were doing everything they possibly could to avert the crises... both parties equally did they're part to help inflate the bubble, anyone who believes/says otherwise is full of shit and/or willfully ignorant
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big kahuna
Nov 20, 09 16:20
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None of that matters. It's now about "jobs created or saved" and how that little phrase was used to pass a 787 billion dollar boondoggle that was very light on infrastructure improvements (which at least lead to actual jobs in the private sector) and heavy on funding for "social justice" programs that are having a very fuzzy effect (if they're having any at all) on jobs creation. Add in that the administration and the Democrats in general are looking like pikers because of all the phantom congressional districts and the jobs that were supposedely "created or saved" in them and there's a looming cloudburst on the horizon for the Dems if they don't right the ship and put it back on proper course.
But they don't seem to want to do that. Instead, they're looking to possibly borrow money to pay down on the budget deficit (?!) and are making noises about ANOTHER stimulus when the growing consensus is that the first didn't do squat. I know the Krugman types are flogging the need for more stimulus for all it's worth, but it doesn't look like people are buying the argument. You've got dithering on Afghanistan, Geithner looking (correctly or not) as if he doesn't have a clue, Holder bumbling in his testimony before the Senate the other day and even the fiasco over mammograms -- which makes it appear as if some sort of sub rosa rationing experiment was being carried out and that the government got caught with its fingers in the cookie jar over it.
The cumulative effect of all this -- especially if a health care "reform" package is pushed through the Congress despite solid majorities against it -- adds up to something very bad for the Dems in 2010 if joblessness doesn't begin abating in a real way by the end of the summer in 2010. I'm not talking about somewhere below 9.5 or something. It's going to have to make it below 8% or the Dems are going to be hammered by the assurances given that the stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%. For sure, the Senate will be a bit more evenly divided (and the Dems will have no ability to override a filibuster) and the House might even -- if everything breaks right -- revert to Republican control.
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Amstel
Nov 20, 09 19:34
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My only complaint is that you didn't mention the exploding deficit/debt in this post.
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dave_w
Nov 20, 09 19:57
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Notice I did not say all politicians. There are a few out there these days that have vision and a long term look at things, but they rarely get elected. It's hard to campaign with bad news - " Sorry, folks, but for the next four years we are going to have to
raise
taxes significantly, yes, you heard me right, to help us all get through this financial mess and get things back on track" Good luck trying to win an elected office at any level with that sort of platform.
Actually I think you're wrong. There's some differences in the current public mood that don't track with history. An example is the traditional unwillingness to accept pay freezes or cuts in the workplace. Right now workers understand the difficult economy and are taking these things in stride. I think that one effect of this "mood" is that many would be willing to suck it up and hurt for a time if they trusted govt to act fiscally responsibly. The problem is that this admin is screaming about how bad the problem is and is not only refusing to address the bleeding, but cutting deeper...much, much deeper. Nothing reflects reality from this admin, except their rhetoric. Here comes a serious populist movement.
big kahuna
Nov 20, 09 19:58
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My only complaint is that you didn't mention the exploding deficit/debt in this post.
That one usually ends in a "Bbbbbut Bush..." counterargument ;-)
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IS40
Nov 20, 09 22:05
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I strongly feel that there is one Congressman in particular that has a track record to proof that he is not raping America. Ron Paul. And he was ridiculed by the controlled media, both parties, and the American people. Go figure. Americans had vote.
I was just thinking about Ron Paul this morning. I didn't support him, but i wish I would have. He was too isolationist for my tastes, but things are getting so bad I don't care anymore. I hope he runs again in '12.
Fleck
Nov 21, 09 8:46
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Right now workers understand the difficult economy and are taking these things in stride
That was not what we heard from the UAW and the CAW when they were asked to make concessions back when the automakers were really on the ropes earlier this year. They kept saying, "no way".
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big kahuna
Nov 21, 09 11:44
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That was not what we heard from the UAW and the CAW when they were asked to make concessions back when the automakers were really on the ropes earlier this year. They kept saying, "no way".
Ditto the UAW down here. But the Obama administration included a nice, fat 10 billion in bribes to it during the GM and Chrysler bankruptcies and the union swallowed hard and went along. Of course, having the golden goose in your back pocket, in terms of having ownership of the goose, can go a long way towards soothing the union as did the threat of actual extinction.
Unfortunately, we now see what happens when there's no such incentive dangled by the government in the case of Ford and its recent negotiations on amendments to its collective bargaining agreement with the union. The rank-and-file voted squarely against it, even though the distinct possibility existed that Ford would move work to a right to work state (SC) if the contract wasn't amended to match what the other two companies that went into bankruptcy were able to get from the union.
You see, in Detroit, success (in avoiding bankruptcy, increasing quality and risking all in leveraging the company the traditional way) is punished consistently, with the UAW choosing to destroy decades of pattern bargaining as a result. Living in a wonderland of fat labor contracts with 20 to 30 dollar an hour jobs for a line assembly worker is a right and an entitlement here in Michigan.
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