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edwinj
Aug 18, 08 11:07
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So whats the deal here. In the vault, the North Korean completely botched both her landings and the Chinese girl landed on her knees in one and they still get Gold and Bronze? WTF?
Then in the uneven bars the American girl and the Chinese girl tie, but they use some really obscure tie-breaker to award the gold to the Chinese? WTFx2?!?
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Aug 18, 08 11:43
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Yep. Quite a few "interesting" scores as of late. The vault was a complete and total joke. The bars, questionable at best. Still cannot believe they are letting that 6 year old continue to compete ...
I kinda hate gymnastics, and many other sports, that allow so much subjectivity. Total b.s. I would rather let the clock decide the winner.
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Aug 18, 08 11:52
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If you think that judging/scoring is bad, do a search on boxing. That's a huge controversy. The Chinese have never had much of a boxing program, yet something like 11 of 14 made it to the elimination tourneys, while only 2 Americans did. And it doesn't stop there, the "computer" scoring system is a complete farce.
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Aug 18, 08 11:53
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The explanation I heard were that the level of difficulty of the routines is so high, that a screw-up nowadays doesn't automatically negate the medal.
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Aug 18, 08 12:03
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if your start value is 6.5 and you get 0.8 deduction for a botched landing, and your opponen't start value is 5.6... you do the math, the current scoring system rewards difficulty, it is much better to botch a difficult vault than to be perfect in an easy one, which wasn't necessarily the case before.
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Aug 18, 08 13:12
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if your start value is 6.5 and you get 0.8 deduction for a botched landing, and your opponen't start value is 5.6... you do the math, the current scoring system rewards difficulty, it is much better to botch a difficult vault than to be perfect in an easy one, which wasn't necessarily the case before.
edwinj
Aug 18, 08 13:31
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It's crap if you ask me. If you land on your knees you should have no chance at a medal.
Marco in BC
Aug 18, 08 13:36
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It's crap if you ask me. If you land on your knees you should have no chance at a medal.
so, take somebody that lands a 2xsomersault 3xtwist on their knees, and somebody else that lands a 1x somersault perfectly, who should win in your opinion? I personally prefer this system so we'll see strong athletes that maybe are not as 'graceful looking' have a shot at a medal.
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Maui
Aug 18, 08 17:27
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Then in the uneven bars the American girl and the Chinese girl tie, but they use some really obscure tie-breaker to award the gold to the Chinese? WTFx2?!?
Rules are rules, nothing "obscure" here. The rules were in effect before the games started:
http://www.nbcolympics.com/...0935.html#tough+math
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A complete score is now made up of two parts, A and B. The first, the A score, or the start value, is an assigned degree of difficulty.I n this instance, both He and Liukin had the same start value, 7.7.
The second part of a score, the B score, is an execution score. Six judges vote. The high and the low are tossed per the rules.
That leaves four scores. Those four are averaged. That average becomes the B score. Add the A and B together and you get a complete score.
In this instance, both He and Liukin got 16.725.
Thus: onto tiebreakers.
The first tiebreak is the B score. Here both got the same B score, 9.025.
The next tiebreak: the judges drop the next highest deduction. That obviously leaves three judges' scores instead of four -- or to be precise, the marks those three judges gave for deductions.
Here, the average of those three judges' deductions for He: .933. For Liukin: .966.
Liukin had a greater deduction. Thus she was second.
edwinj
Aug 18, 08 18:56
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Meh. I still think it's BS. Should have been a tie.
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edwinj
Aug 18, 08 18:59
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Don't matter. That's the risk you take for performing something so difficult. If a diver tried the most difficult dive ever and ended up doing a belly flop do you think they should still end up with the high score? Fail on the landing and your score should be busted.
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Aug 18, 08 23:49
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Yeah, but Luiken is way hotter than the homely Chinese girl. She should have won the tie-break on that reason alone. T.A.N.S
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Aug 19, 08 0:47
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Anybody know why they don't use instant replay? As I understood it, on the uneven bars, both the American and Chinese girls had the same degree of difficulty, but the Chinese girl earned some mandatory deductions that were not assessed. I realize that it is subjective, but it seems that there could be consensus on a mandatory deduction.
I also think they have a structural problem in that the judges, apparently through no fault of their own, are not competent to judge at this level. I think I heard that 6 of the judges come from countries that have never produced a medalist?
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Aug 19, 08 7:17
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The problem in the vault was they didn't deduct what they were supposed to from Cheng Fei.
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Aug 19, 08 7:22
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If you land on your knees you should have no chance at a medal.
I've awarded medals for that.
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Aug 19, 08 8:50
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This made me wonder if dropping the score could make it so that the third place competitor could end up being second once the scores were recalculated. I know this didn't happen in this event because the tied scores were a bit out of reach. But what if third was close enough to drop the tied first place low enough to take the silver away from her as well?
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