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sgoehner

Aug 20, 08 6:09

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New Poll Numbers out today... Can't Post

Reuters/Zogby Poll: McCain Makes a Move, Takes 5-Point Lead Over Obama
Obama loses ground among Dems, women, Catholics & even younger voters

UTICA, New York – As Russian tanks rolled into the Republic of Georgia and the presidential candidates met over the weekend in the first joint issues forum of the fall campaign, the latest polling includes drama almost as compelling - Republican John McCain has taken a five-point lead over Democrat Barack Obama in the race for President, the latest Reuters/Zogby telephone survey shows.

McCain leads Obama by a 46% to 41% margin.


And McCain not only enjoys a five-point edge in a two-way race against Obama, but also in a four-way contest including liberal independent candidate Ralph Nader and Libertarian Bob Barr, the poll reveals. In the four-way contest, McCain wins 44% support, Obama 39%, Barr 3% and Nader 2%.

This latest Reuters/Zogby poll is a dramatic reversal from the identical survey taken last month – in the July 9-13 Reuters/Zogby survey, Obama led McCain, 47% to 40%. In the four-way race last month, Obama held a 10-point lead over McCain.

The Reuters/Zogby Horserace


August
July

McCain


46%
47%

Obama


41%
40%

Not sure/Other


13%
13%

This latest live operator telephone survey was conducted Aug. 14-16, 2008 from Zogby’s call center in Upstate New York. It included 1,089 likely voters nationwide, and carries a margin of error of +/- 3.0 percentage points.

The poll shows Obama losing voters to McCain in groups where Obama had bigger leads a month ago, such as Democrats, women and younger voters. Obama also lost ground among Catholics and Southerners.

This table shows Obama’s loss of support between the July and August Reuters/Zogby polls among some significant sub-groups (the margin of error is greater for sub-groups than the sample as a whole).


Obama Support

July

August

Difference


Democrats
83%
74%
-9
Women
50%
42%
-8
Catholics
47%
36%
-11
Ages <35
59%
47%
-12
College Grads
51%
40%
-11
Live in Cities
54%
43%
-11
Income <$50,000
53%
46%
-7
Southerners
46%
35%
-11

McCain’s surge follows a month in which he has aggressively portrayed Obama as an out-of-touch elitist and celebrity not prepared to be President. McCain also continues to accuse Obama of being willing to lose in Iraq in order to win the election. While Obama was on vacation last week, McCain took the spotlight, talking tough about Russia’s military action against the Republic of Georgia.

Pollster John Zogby: “Since Obama returned from his overseas trip, it seems like McCain has thrown all the punches. Clearly, the blows have landed. In recent days, Obama is fighting back, going after McCain on the economy, the issue voters care about most. McCain has changed the dynamic of the race heading into the two conventions. That puts more pressure on Obama to go to Denver and effectively define himself and McCain.”

Here is how voters rated issues most important to them in choosing a President: economy 47%, War in Iraq 12%, energy prices 8%, healthcare 7%, threat of attack on the U.S. 6%, immigration 5% and the environment 4%.

For a detailed methodological statement on this survey, please visit:


http://www.zogby.com/...readmeth.dbm?ID=1328



Fatmouse

Aug 20, 08 6:34

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [sgoehner] [In reply to] Can't Post

More important than the popular vote, it looks like Obama's lead in electoral votes has evaporated.

Who are those idiots a month or so ago who said McCain had no chance?

Oddly enough, the intrade betting still has Obama with a solid betting lead.

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David in FL

Aug 20, 08 6:35

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [sgoehner] [In reply to] Can't Post

I have to say, that's stunning! So much so that if it weren't Reuters/Zogby, I'd question the source.

It'll be interesting to see what kind of bump BHO gets from the upcoming circus...........sorry, I mean convention.


"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt


too.tall

Aug 20, 08 6:43

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [sgoehner] [In reply to] Can't Post

Anyone know if cell phones are called as part of the polling methodology?


sorelian

Aug 20, 08 6:56

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [too.tall] [In reply to] Can't Post

Most do not. Read about this topic and how they are trying to go about getting better numbers.

Here is the link.

http://pewresearch.org/...olling-election-2008

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(This post was edited by sorelian on Aug 20, 08 6:56)


too.tall

Aug 20, 08 7:02

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [sorelian] [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks, that was informative.


LorenzoP

Aug 20, 08 7:05

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [sgoehner] [In reply to] Can't Post

we're doomed either way


David in FL

Aug 20, 08 7:06

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In Reply To
Thanks, that was informative.

  I'm curious. Why do you ask?


"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt


too.tall

Aug 20, 08 7:20

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [David in FL] [In reply to] Can't Post

    
I asked because I did not know the answer to the question. I suppose I could have googled the question but the link to the Pew Research site was very informative. The data suggests that including cell phones has a modest impact on the polling results (2% bump for Obama). But the data appears to be inconsistent because:

"In the current poll, cell-only respondents are significantly more likely than either the landline respondents or the cell-mostly respondents to support Barack Obama and Democratic candidates for Congress this fall."

This appears to be significant but I could be wrong.


Locke

Aug 20, 08 7:31

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [sgoehner] [In reply to] Can't Post

Personally do I think one poll means that McCain is really ahead, No. Do I think it shows that the race is really alot closer than most think, yep.

I think Barry may have peaked abit too early. He looked unstoppable a month or two ago. He is looking alot more mortal now. Hope and change sound good in the primaries. But now that we are down to the general election, I think alot of people are looking for more specifics. Unless he can better articulate just what he plans to do, he will be dismissed as just another political hack saying what people want to hear. No more messiah.


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parkito

Aug 20, 08 7:42

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [Fatmouse] [In reply to] Can't Post

Who are those idiots a month or so ago who said McCain had no chance?


See the following LR thread:

Allies Ask Obama to Make ‘Hope’ Specific

It seems a few Democrats saw this coming for a while.

Behold the turtle! He makes progess only when he sticks his neck out. (James Bryant Conant)
GET OFF THE F*%KING WALL!!!!!!! (Doug Stern)
Brevity is the soul of wit. (William Shakespeare)


David in FL

Aug 20, 08 7:42

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [too.tall] [In reply to] Can't Post

Got it, thanks.

I remember the lack of polling of cell only voters being touted as one of the reasons that Ron Paul polled poorly and that the expectation was that he would do better in the election than the polling suggested. Of course, that didn't happen.

Regardless, when I look at something like this, what strikes me isn't the gross %'s so much, as the relatively recent change. Assuming that the polling methodology has remained consistent throughout, the delta still seems pretty significant.

I don't get too excited about polls, one way or another though.


"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt


majorminor

Aug 20, 08 7:44

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slowbern

Aug 20, 08 7:57

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [too.tall] [In reply to] Can't Post

Anyone know if cell phones are called as part of the polling methodology?

I was called twice in the last week for polls, and the second or third question was whether or not the number they called was a cell phone. Also, they both questioned whether or not I have a cell phone, percentage of total calls I receive on it, and whether the phone is mine or if I share it.

Bernie


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sorelian

Aug 20, 08 8:13

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [majorminor] [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it has nothing to do with his past. The problem he has is the same for almost every dem since Clinton...allowing the opponent to shape them. Right now...Obama has been shaped by McCain--his vacation was a mistake--in the wake of attacks on him. And like Kerry in 04...he did not jump in to defend himself or have surrogates rip McCain apart.

1992 was the last referendum on the untested vs. the man with the resume. Clinton won not just because Perot split the vote...but because he confronted his problems head on. Gave no quarter to Bush...and shaped himself as the man from a place called hope. He found that measure of positive with the knack and team to pound on Bush until he was exhausted. They didn't waiver or go from issue to issue. They smacked Bush on one thing...the economy.

08 will turn on whether or not Obama can convince the electorate (like Clinton did) that he isn't a risk. So far he has allowed for McCain to portray him as a bad bet (and McCain should know since he loves' himself some craps.)

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big kahuna

Aug 20, 08 8:34

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [sorelian] [In reply to] Can't Post

It may also be that buyer's remorse has started to set in among the more adult-like people who call themselves Democrats. Maybe all this fawning coverage and the "he's the new messiah"-type ridiculousness has finally started to turn off even those who at least initially found themselves fooled by this dillettante and flat-out piker.

I mean, c'mon...what's the guy done, really? Okay, he was the editor of the Harvard Law Review, which is impressive, I'll grant. But then, to base your qualifications for the presidency on a past as some sort of "community organizer, a state legislator and a very junior Senator of less than one term? That practically begs for mockery and ridicule.

And the guy hasn't proven he's got the stones to stand up to the assorted baddies and all-around scumbags out there in the wide world of sports. Smary, supercilious, and a total mess when he's forced to ad-lib away from a teleprompter. I could (and have, in the past) go on in this vein for days, not that it'd get Mr. YaHey, or Mr. Triojeepy and the other O-Force One types to change their opinions about the fellow ;-)

I'm also really beginning to believe the guy isn't as smart as he's made out to be, either. Some of his pronouncements and prescriptions for what ails us are puzzling, to say the least.

BK


David in FL

Aug 20, 08 8:37

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [sorelian] [In reply to] Can't Post

 
1992 was the last referendum on the untested vs. the man with the resume. Clinton won not just because Perot split the vote...but because he confronted his problems head on.

10 years as a state governor, untested? You're actually comparing BHO's 3 years (1 of which has been devoted to campaigning) as a Senator to that? I agree with you that he's untested and has little to no leadership experience, but as much distaste as I have for Slick Willie, he was far more experienced and "tested" than our buddy Barry when he ran in 1992!


and McCain should know since he loves' himself some craps.

Actually, of all casino games, when it's played properly, craps has among the best odds available to the player! If you're gonna play, you need to be smart. Seems as if McCain is...... ;-)




"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt


FJB

Aug 20, 08 8:37

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sorelian

Aug 20, 08 8:42

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c'mon...what's the guy done, really? Okay, he was the editor of the Harvard Law Review, which is impressive, I'll grant. But then, to base your qualifications for the presidency on a past as some sort of "community organizer, a state legislator and a very junior Senator of less than one term? That practically begs for mockery and ridicule.

Of course...you could easily be describing one of the presidents that currently rests on Mt Rushmore.

Take out the Harvard Review and replace Junior Senator with one term congressman.

Disclaimer on--(This in no way should be read that I am comparing these two people in any other respect other than their resumes. And just because one ended up on Rushmore does not extrapolate into how might Obama might fair.)--Disclaimer off.

Sure...it was a simpler time back then...after all half the country was just walking out on the other half.

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sorelian

Aug 20, 08 8:45

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10 years as a state governor, untested? You're actually comparing BHO's 3 years (1 of which has been devoted to campaigning) as a Senator to that? I agree with you that he's untested and has little to no leadership experience, but as much distaste as I have for Slick Willie, he was far more experienced and "tested" than our buddy Barry when he ran in 1992!

Compared to 8 years as VP, 4 years as president, war hero, head of the CIA, congressman. Yes...that comparison was made in the election. Remember...Clinton's only claim to fame was WalMart and getting jobs to produce Chicken for Perdue. Arkansas was a backwater...he had no international experience. Yada Yada.

I made no comparison between Clinton's and Obama resume...YOU DID THAT YOURSELF. I merely pointed out that that was the last referendum when people were clearly looking at resumes...and Clinton clearly had to prove that he had the goods. The shift happened and Bush lost.

Stick to what I wrote...not to what you hoped I wrote.

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(This post was edited by sorelian on Aug 20, 08 8:46)


big kahuna

Aug 20, 08 8:48

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Polls are what polls are, and they'll swing back-and-forth a bit. But, comparing '04 (also an election/Olympics year) to '08 and Kerry/Bush to Obama/McCain, especially in a year when much of the electorate says it's dissatisfied with the status quo ante, Obama should ideally be up by a wide margin (as Kerry was in the electoral college match-ups and even a few polls). The fact that he isn't says something about not only his positives and negatives but also the lucky happenstance that the Republicans seem to have landed on the one man who might possibly be able to defeat this singularly curious Democratic contender.

Perhaps everybody was right in saying that Hillary would have a much easier time in the general election against McCain than would Obama.


BK


David in FL

Aug 20, 08 8:51

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [sorelian] [In reply to] Can't Post

Hey, you referred to Clinton as "untested", not me. BTW, I do agree with you though, BHO definitely is untested, regardless of who you compare him to.


"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt


sorelian

Aug 20, 08 8:58

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [David in FL] [In reply to] Can't Post

Untested when compared to a sitting president with 40 years of elected/unelected service to the country. Vs. the pot smoking uninhaling, draft dodging, flag burning, governor from an inbred "chicken" state.

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David in FL

Aug 20, 08 9:03

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [sorelian] [In reply to] Can't Post

Ok, that makes more sense......

Untested relative to his opponent, as opposed to BHO who is simply untested period.

Got it.


"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt


Jim_n_La

Aug 20, 08 9:17

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Re: New Poll Numbers out today... [Fatmouse] [In reply to] Can't Post

"Who are those idiots a month or so ago who said McCain had no chance?"

We're sitting scratching our heads wondering what the heck just happened????, well, as they say 'doh!', carry on with the gloating ;) Wonder if Tibb's is happier???


Jim_n_La
...what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, but only until it kills you - Cousin Elwood