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Monk
Aug 16, 08 2:56
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Anybody else wondering why he let those fuckers back in the game? Each of them gets their own night, is letting her name on the ballot and her delegates counted, with full votes for MI and FL? Obama is leader of the party--the fact that he let a "co-leader" share the limelight this dramatically, unless she is going to be VP, is evidence of him not knowing how to close out the opposition. Weak Sister.
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Aug 16, 08 3:18
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http://www.dickmorris.com/...nvention-2/#more-405
Check out this short Dick Morris article he sums it up pretty good!
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Aug 16, 08 3:59
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This is Obama demonstrating aggressive diplomacy.
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Aug 16, 08 4:59
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Good piece.
I think he was afraid that demonstrations would affect his bid. But this is sharing a pie, that he didn't have to share, and should not have shared, by giving away more than half of it.
Everytime somebody says "Clinton", he will look weaker. Everytime the crowd screams for Bill or Hillary, he will look weaker.
If I were Putin I would be licking my chops at the progress in domination that Russia is going to make under a BHO presidency. I would be smiling at the chess-like confrontations I could create, and sneering at the "competition". BHO will not want to do anything to make them mad, because that is not nice, and surely they will respond with nice, and he will back down at any confrontation.
143 days in the Senate. Good Lord and God help us.
Perhaps our Generals will have to caucus : )
parkito
Aug 16, 08 5:20
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Obama needs her womens.
In the category of Be Careful What You Wish For, I had wanted Hillary to get the nomination as I figured she'd be easier for the Republicans to defeat. But, if Hillary had gotten the nomination, she'd have no problem making Obama VP, and given his popularity, that ticket would have won in a landslide.
Hillary woke up to late for this year's election, but she is still going to get her pound of flesh. Those other words of hers, that Obama hasn't been fully vetted byt eh Republicans ... hmmm, is she helping out?
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ajfranke
Aug 16, 08 6:21
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The only way letting the Clinton's on the stage like this makes any sense to me is if he has decided on Hillary as VP, which I consider very unlikely.
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Aug 16, 08 8:03
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That thread title is funny.
Not a good move by or for Obama, but they better hope for their future life in the Democratic party that he doesn't lose in November. They'll be the next Ralph Nader.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
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Aug 16, 08 9:05
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My guess is he felt he had little choice, given that he has very little political capital within the party at the moment. Had he swept the primaries, he'd be in a better position to relegate the Clintons to the sideline, but given the nature and number of Hillary supporters, the decision is probably the less damaging of the two options. Whether or not it plays out that way depends on how the Clintons decide to conduct themselves in the lead up to the convention.
"The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised." - George F. Will
ashayk
Aug 16, 08 9:12
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I'm guessing it has something to with, oh you know, coming together as a party, uniting the voters. Hmm... What's the word I'm looking for? Politics, yeah that's it. Politics. Crazy isn't it?
ashayk
Aug 16, 08 9:15
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BTW, the respect you show to the Presidency, by referring to him via an expletive, classy. Bravo.
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Aug 16, 08 9:54
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Just a little update on the convention.Phil Spector a Obama supporter(
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Monk
Aug 16, 08 15:36
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BTW, the respect you show to the Presidency, by referring to him via an expletive, classy. Bravo.
Which of them is the President? I guess you are referring to the office itself. I think I show more respect for it than Bill Clanton did.
Monk
Aug 16, 08 15:40
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I'm guessing it has something to with, oh you know, coming together as a party, uniting the voters. Hmm... What's the word I'm looking for? Politics, yeah that's it. Politics. Crazy isn't it?
I don't think a full blown Clanton Blitz was necessary to unite the party. It looks like it got out of control. JMO
ashayk
Aug 16, 08 19:45
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This is a party you care about? Don't you think, given where your loyalties lie, your opinion of intra-party procedure comes as completely insincere?
ashayk
Aug 16, 08 19:46
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Yes, and your show of "respect" calling a former President f'er is clearly evident.
Monk
Aug 17, 08 5:28
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Yes, and your show of "respect" calling a former President f'er is clearly evident.
Well, he is a fucker, but you are not addressing the argument, you are focused on me, in all of your posts in this thread.
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Aug 17, 08 5:33
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This is a party you care about? Don't you think, given where your loyalties lie, your opinion of intra-party procedure comes as completely insincere?
Yes, I do care about the Democrat Party. We get to choose a President every four years from who they and the Republicans select--so yes, I do care how each party selects their hack.
I disagree. I am judging how he will handle other things from how he handles this. I'm not alone in doing so.
You are just being a dick.
ashayk
Aug 17, 08 7:17
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Yes, and you continue to make my point ever clearer. I addressed your point in my first post. You disagree, fine. Your interest in the Democratic party consists primarily, if not entirely, in seeing it lose the election. Tell me I'm wrong.
Monk
Aug 17, 08 18:39
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Yes, and you continue to make my point ever clearer. I addressed your point in my first post. You disagree, fine. Your interest in the Democratic party consists primarily, if not entirely, in seeing it lose the election. Tell me I'm wrong.
This year, with this candidate, yes. But I have voted for a Democrat presidential candidate in the past, and I look forward to again. For instance, I would have seriously considered Biden. And so, as I said, the political process is important to me, regardless of which party. And, I think it shows a weakness in Obama which will manifest itself in a presidency. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
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Aug 17, 08 21:13
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Monk was a warped guy and then his moon started orbiting in Art's aura. You can't talk to these people rationally. I would not try it, these are not logical conversations they are having. Everything is set up so they can play both sides of the equation. It stems from painting John McCain, despite his clearly superior experience base, as this massive underdog (i.e, if McCain loses oh well he was supposed to, if McCain wins it was Obama who lost it, etc.). The probably caucus daily with their guidance councilor Rush.
That all notwithstanding, Monk forgets that Bill is the biggest star f***** in the party (and I say that with affection) and this is all about money and the vote of women. He's good for business, which is what mattered. If Obama out raises McCain by such a large margin, all the drugs in Rush's system will not help the Repubs.
We can only hope that Monk goes back to training, hopefully soon.
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ashayk
Aug 17, 08 21:21
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I don't understand because you've done nothing but spit venom at both Clinton and Obama, so with a record like that, I don't see anything about the convention that would satisfy you. You care about the process but you show total contempt for the electorate that has chosen their candidate and a close second but continuing to attach the cadidates they've chosen.
Now, I'll take a stab, AGAIN, at explaining to you why the Clinton presence is a fine idea, though I suspect given your prejudices, this will be lost on you. Obama is the Democratic candidate whether you like it or not. In what promises to be a close election, his glaring weakness remains that he is perceived as elitist, something that McCain certainly is not perceived as. The Clintons, both of them, connected with poor and middle class, often white, voters in a way Obama never managed. Do you see what I'm getting at? If the convention wasn't going to be broadcast but a closed door party, then I might agree with you, but the teevee is going to reach the electorate and some of those undecideds are going to be brought into the tent. It's just a matter of statistics.
Now, if you've got a statistical case to make that the presence of the Clintons is going to turn away Dems and undecideds in such vast numbers as to negate the ones who are attracted by them, then go ahead and make it.
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Aug 18, 08 5:11
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I don't understand because you've done nothing but spit venom at both Clinton and Obama, so with a record like that, I don't see anything about the convention that would satisfy you. You care about the process but you show total contempt for the electorate that has chosen their candidate and a close second but continuing to attach the cadidates they've chosen.
Now, I'll take a stab, AGAIN, at explaining to you why the Clinton presence is a fine idea, though I suspect given your prejudices, this will be lost on you. Obama is the Democratic candidate whether you like it or not. In what promises to be a close election, his glaring weakness remains that he is perceived as elitist, something that McCain certainly is not perceived as. The Clintons, both of them, connected with poor and middle class, often white, voters in a way Obama never managed. Do you see what I'm getting at? If the convention wasn't going to be broadcast but a closed door party, then I might agree with you, but the teevee is going to reach the electorate and some of those undecideds are going to be brought into the tent. It's just a matter of statistics.
Now, if you've got a statistical case to make that the presence of the Clintons is going to turn away Dems and undecideds in such vast numbers as to negate the ones who are attracted by them, then go ahead and make it.
I do get your point. I understood before I posted that that was the point. For some reason, you don't want to concede that there is another point to be made about it, the same being that he may have gone much farther than he had to, to accomplish what you are suggesting, thereby taking too much of the focus off him, and that doing so reflects poor jusgment.
By way of example, for 20 years or so we have taken this "The Russians are our friends" approach--joint space missions, etc., meanwhile they have gone from a Tropical Storm to a Class I Hurricane.
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Aug 18, 08 5:34
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By way of example, for 20 years or so we have taken this "The Russians are our friends" approach--joint space missions, etc., meanwhile they have gone from a Tropical Storm to a Class I Hurricane.
That is some catagory IV hate wrapped up by way of analogy.
To paraphrase Jefferson, grand courses of change are not made on small margins of victory.
A real politician understands that by winning the most closely contested primaries since their inception, probably is going to have to cut a deal or two. Making another point is just a way of denying the very real situation that Obama finds himself in...sure he would love cutting Bill's pecker off, but with about 50.5 percent of the primary vote to Hillrods 49.5...he has to put the bowie knife away.
This doesn't speak anymore or less of him...it is just what it is.
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Aug 18, 08 6:04
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Yes, I understand that is your point; however given your sig, general hatred of both leading Dem candidates, and acknowledged desire to see them lose, it is, if nothing else, a minority opinion, which of course you're entitled to.
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a minority opinion, which of course you're entitled to.
I don't know why you conclude that "it", whatever you mean by "it", is a minority opinion, but thank you for acknowledging that I am entitled to have an opinion.
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