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majorminor
Aug 19, 08 7:25
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Aug 19, 08 7:42
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If Obama is going to be President, I would like to see someone like Biden with experience in foreign affairs in there coaching--but I would be concerned that his personality is so strong that Obama's people would close him out.
Anybody can be the "Domestic President"--that is just a matter of giving away money. Foreign affairs is a big boy job.
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Aug 19, 08 7:46
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Biden has the foreign policy chops but can be an arrogant asshole. But that is what Cheney is, so it might work.
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Aug 19, 08 7:47
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But that is what Cheney is, so it might work.
Only if you think that having Cheney around has proved to be a boon to President Bush's foreign policy "chops."
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Aug 19, 08 7:50
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I was leaning more to the arrogant asshole part. Not so much the foreign policy.
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Aug 19, 08 7:53
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Then yes...he would be a perfect fit. Arrogant asshole with baggage from a highly partisan state, with few electoral votes, that is safely in the lead candidate's column with or without him on the ticket.
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Aug 19, 08 7:54
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Who ever it it is I hope he brings some gravitas to the table. I just can't wait for every media outlet in the country to spew that out over and over and over again :-)
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Aug 19, 08 8:06
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Biden has the foreign policy chops but can be an arrogant asshole. But that is what Cheney is, so it might work.
I think the difference is (will be) that Cheney was quite happy to do the grunt work under the radar, out of the spotlight, and didn't have his own ambitions for the top slot. I don't think Biden would be, or can even be by nature, as quiet or low key.
He also earns that arrogance by shooting his mouth off way too fast. Cheney misfired one shotgun blast in eight years. Biden will be shooting off verbal misfires monthly, if not more frequently.
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He also earns that arrogance by shooting his mouth off way too fast. Cheney misfired one shotgun blast in eight years. Biden will be shooting off verbal misfires monthly, if not more frequently.
Cheney's verbal gaffes are legendary if anyone bothered holding the administration to what they said and what happened. (last throes, pays for itself, liberators, no doubt Saddam has weapons of Mass destruction, reconstituted nuclear weapons, )...yada yada yada.
Jeebus he is a treasure trove of arrogance and wrongheaded statements. The guy he shot got lucky at least that blast came from a gun rather than straight from his ass.
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Biden is on the ground supervising aid operations in South Ossetia?!
Biden has more experience than Obama....
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Aug 19, 08 8:30
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Joe Biden?
McCain camp says, "oh please please please please please give us another arrogant, elitist, New Englander!"
oh, that and convicted plagarizer
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I'm not suprised that the McCain camp thinks Delaware is in New England. Delaware is not in New England and it doesn't share a border with Iran or Pakistan either.
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It was insane. Wasn't just the main media either, damn near everyone on TV was using it. News shows, inteviewers etc etc. That went on for several days. It was like "Dude" for the media :-)
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Yeah, you are right about Cheney. He was happy to hide out and fuck things up from behind the scenes. Biden would definitely want to be in the spot light.
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Arrogant asshole with baggage from a highly partisan state.......
Um, you didn't just call Delaware a partisan state, but a *highly* partisan state. I'd like to know where the hell you got that from? If its highly partisan, then which party is it partisan to? Given its historical presidential voting record, governors, and representatives, I can't begin to figure out which way it leans. I can only assume that because it was one of the ~50% of the population that went with Gore and Kerry that it is "highly partisan" toward Democrats despite re-electing former 2 term governor and current Republican Senator Mike Castle during the Bush Presidency.
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sorelian
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Ummmm....I got it from its history in the last 4 presidential elections of voting for the Democractic nominee by a landslide percentage in the state.
(projected Obama 52 - McCain 39)
Kerry 56- Bush 43
Gore 57 - Bush 40
Clinton 54 - Dole 38
Clinton 50 - Bush 36
I suppose I could grouse about the same thing in North Carolina...we are noted (at least historically) a highly partisan state when it comes to presidential candidates, yet we have had democrats in the state house most of the past 30 years (except for Jim Martin...there was hunt and hunt and Easley)
Since we are talking about presidential elections in this thread...then when you look at the numbers...they are what they are.
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Aug 19, 08 9:34
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He's painted himself into somewhat of a corner with the VP slot. Personally, I'm with you on Biden. He's got the foreign policy credentials, the willingness and ability to serve as attack dog (Obama clearly lacks both), and the gravitas to counter a strong McCain veep (most likely Romney). I think most Democrats and Obama-leaning Independents would welcome Biden as the VP choice, but that's not the vote they're courting, and the truly undecided may find him antithetical to the "Change" theme of Obama's candidacy. He's neither
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The other two candidates would only widen the experience gap between the tickets. I can't imagine that plays well among undecideds.
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He also earns that arrogance by shooting his mouth off way too fast. Cheney misfired one shotgun blast in eight years. Biden will be shooting off verbal misfires monthly, if not more frequently.
Cheney's verbal gaffes are legendary if anyone bothered holding the administration to what they said and what happened. (last throes, pays for itself, liberators, no doubt Saddam has weapons of Mass destruction, reconstituted nuclear weapons, )...yada yada yada.
Jeebus he is a treasure trove of arrogance and wrongheaded statements. The guy he shot got lucky at least that blast came from a gun rather than straight from his ass.
You're being kind in referring to them as gaffes. That would suggest that they were unthinking mistakes. I don't believe that's the case. I think he either believed them or wanted to convince others to believe them. That is far different than McCain confusing Shia and Sunni, which is an act of old man confusion, and a gaffe, and not likely to be deceitful or duplicitous.
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I think you're right on Biden being the right conventional pick on both foreign policy and attack dog. I'm slightly frustrated that Obama has refrained from hammering McCain back, although I think it is both a strategic decision and a matter of temperament. Biden would have no such problem. Even today, responding to McCain's newest attack on his patriotism, Obama struck a much more conciliatory and thoughtful note. I think the question is whether that has resonance in an age when people like to talk about picking thoughtful leaders but more typically respond to aggressive jingoistic pleas.
But Biden could go after him on all sorts of things, and part of me would like to see him open a can of whupass on McCain and Lieberman. But I suspect part of the big picture being lost here is that while the national polls are close, the electoral college polls are not as close. And I think that's where the effort is being focused at this point.
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You should use your Google skills to learn some geography and quit wasting time digging up political dirt.
unstable and unable --- mccain and palin 2008
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Aug 19, 08 10:10
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"oh, that and 2x convicted plagarizer."
I'm curious if you are as concerned with McCain's convictions on plagiarism as you are with Biden's.
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Aug 19, 08 10:11
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Biden would be a fountain of verbal gifts to the Repubs.
He certainly has the potential. I hear they've already reined him in, prohibiting any further contact between him and the campaign's promotional items department.
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If Obama is going to be President, I would like to see someone like Biden with experience in foreign affairs in there coaching--but I would be concerned that his personality is so strong that Obama's people would close him out.
Anybody can be the "Domestic President"--that is just a matter of giving away money. Foreign affairs is a big boy job.
Or alternatively you could have the Bush/Cheney scenario where Cheney's people shut out Bush's.
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