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Sergio Escutia

Jul 2, 09 11:02

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Re: 10 mile tt times [sdmike] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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Check out this site. Flat course. Usually cool and no wind early morning races.

http://www.fiestaisland.com/results.htm

According to my calculations 43.5 kph for 20 km is the record in Fiesta Island for the Junior rider.

I do have to say that the 44 kph number I suggested was not for 10 miles but for 10 km and also without rollout restrictions.

Something else... Not all junior riders are at their best cadence trying to average 43-44 kph limited to 53x16. Put them on a 53x14 and they can average considerably higher power for the same course (riding some parts of the course making good use of those additional 14t and 15t sprockets). I am not sure all of those Junior times are on 53x14 because in some countries the rollout limit is 53x16. For some Junior riders it is possible to average 44 kph in 53x14 in a particular course (but definitelly not on 53x16).

I reiterate that unless the 10 km (10 miles) are done in a velodrome (indoor better) it is of little value to compare average speeds. Just take a look at the average speeds of the same Pro Tour riders on TTs or even Prologues of approximate distances.

Sergio
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RChung

Jul 2, 09 11:20

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Re: 10 mile tt times [Sergio Escutia] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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I reiterate that unless the 10 km (10 miles) are done in a velodrome (indoor better) it is of little value to compare average speeds. Just take a look at the average speeds of the same Pro Tour riders on TTs or even Prologues of approximate distances.

Depends on what you're looking for.

2003 World ITT:

Stage 8 ITT of 2004 Vuelta:

Stage 15 ITT of 2004 Vuelta:

2004 Athens Olympics ITT:

Stage 20 ITT of 2005 Vuelta:

Stage 7 ITT of 2006 TdF:

2007 Dauphine ITT:

Stage 13 ITT of 2007 TdF:

Stage 4 of 2008 TdF:

Stage 20 of 2008 TdF:

Brind-Surch

Jul 2, 09 12:21

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Re: 10 mile tt times [RChung] [In reply to]	Can't Post

Just to let you know the root is almost out and back with the finish about 200m after the start

Andy

gregclimbs

Jul 2, 09 12:21

Post #54 of 66 (395 views)

Re: 10 mile tt times [mrmoosey5] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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So you actually proved my point.

what point did I prove? I just pointed out how well another STer did recently...

Not making a point about what anyone else is capable, just applauding what Nico was capable of...

I doubt anyone could/should take the results of the 3rd best 35-39yo TTist in the country and extrapolate that into what should a 16yo be doing in a 10.

g

greg
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mrmoosey5

Jul 2, 09 12:54

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Re: 10 mile tt times [gregclimbs] [In reply to]	Can't Post

My bad. The thread was full of unrealistic results/expectations. General tone was that, if a 16-year-old averages 25 mph in a TT, he would probably be advised to give up the sport on account of sucking, so I was calling out some of the "high school high jumpers."

When it turned out that one of the best TT riders in the country averaged about 28 mph, I thought that reinforced the argument I was making.
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Sergio Escutia

Jul 2, 09 13:52

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Re: 10 mile tt times [Brind-Surch] [In reply to]	Can't Post

RChung... I was not talking about that particular comparison, but that data is interesting.

What I wanted to point out is that it is of little value to compare performance just by taking into account the average speeds of TTs even when they are around the same distance.

Take LeMond's TT that stood for at least 15 years as a TdF record (Not even Lance could break that record). Why was it that LeMond's record stood up for so long? Was it because he managed to average the highest power on a TT during those years? Was it because he was also more aero than the riders that raced after him? And according to him he did it without..., never mind ;) .

Sergio
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MarcK

Jul 2, 09 16:03

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Re: 10 mile tt times [Sergio Escutia] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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Sergio: Lemond had an amazing engine and did put out as much power as any other naturally aspirated tour rider and second, Lemond's TT was point to point with a nice tailwind.

If we're counting point to point TTs, I want to nominate myself for an award. I have done 12 miles in under 18 minutes on six or eight different occasions--- Each of them down Mt Palomar. ;-)

-Marec

Carl Spackler

Jul 2, 09 17:16

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Re: 10 mile tt times [nslckevin] [In reply to]	Can't Post

i had it at 14.06. no chance any masters rider could go nearly 32 on that course.

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rik

Jul 2, 09 17:26

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Re: 10 mile tt times [Carl Spackler] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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i had it at 14.06. no chance any masters rider could go nearly 32 on that course.

That makes much more sense. You and "nlsckevin" are two of the best Masters TT riders in the state (if not the country) and have been throwing down at the Putah Creek Smackdown 10-mile course with best times of 20:05 and 20:21 this year, if I have it right. And the best time out there this year (new course record) was set by Phil Mach at 19:31. IMHO that course is ideal for extremely fast times for a sea level elevation course with a turnaround: flat as a pancake, smooth pavement, warm temps, and prevailing crosswinds (yaw within a good range as long as the wind isn't howling too much).

Rik

nslckevin

Jul 2, 09 21:15

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Re: 10 mile tt times [rik] [In reply to]	Can't Post

Spackler IS the best masters time trialist in the 40-44 age group. By .5 seconds over Feldman. I'd be on suicide watch if I lost by that little...
Kevin

rik

Jul 2, 09 22:56

Post #61 of 66 (252 views)

Re: 10 mile tt times [nslckevin] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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Spackler IS the best masters time trialist in the 40-44 age group. By .5 seconds over Feldman. I'd be on suicide watch if I lost by that little...

Cinderella story. Outta nowhere. A former greenskeeper, now, about to become the Masters champion. It looks like a mirac... It's in the hole! It's in the hole! It's in the hole!

And congrats to you on your 2nd place in 45-49. But do we need to talk you down from the ledge for the less than 8 seconds you needed?

Turns out Putah Creek really is the Wednesday Night World Championship.

Rik

wasfast

Jul 3, 09 15:32

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Re: 10 mile tt times [rik] [In reply to]	Can't Post

I thought the original question was "good time for a 16 yr old?" I don't think he was asking for world class requirements. Showing masters, Pro Tour, Olympic times, UK records etc isn't showing much in context.

Saying 25mph average is poor is not being fair at all. In fact, we have no idea what his times were since they weren't volunteered. Some encouragement seems in order as he likely has lots of potential improvement given his young age. I started racing at 15 (now 50) and know how much improvement can happen in just a couple years.

Let's help the guy out.

nslckevin

Jul 3, 09 16:29

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Re: 10 mile tt times [wasfast] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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Let's help the guy out.

There is a local 17 year old kid who does the Putah Creek TT's (PCSD). He was 4th in the state TT championship in his age group and a couple of weeks ago he rode a 22:17 on a night when the best time was 20:21. 20:21 was by a guy who was 2nd in our state elite TT. (50:18 for 40km)

Hope that helps.
Kevin

Sergio Escutia

Jul 3, 09 23:31

Post #64 of 66 (164 views)

Re: 10 mile tt times [wasfast] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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Let's help the guy out.

I mentioned 44 kph in a past post. That is 22 min. If he can do that he should be doing over 300 W in a very good position. That is easier said than done even for fast 16 year olds. Something else is that some kids (or at least one I know) in actual racing conditions (not perfectly flat nor windless) can put out a good amount of more watts on that ride on 53x14 Junior gearing than in 53x16 U17 gearing so it might matter if you are racing with 14 or 16T limits.

44 kph for that distance is pretty fast. As an adult rider try it and then take a look at the 16 year olds that race in your area. A 16 year old has a long way to go to get to their full potential. How many more watts is a 16 year old kid going to average in ten more years when he is 26 (still relatively a young rider) if he is averaging over 300 watts for that distance now?

I have had the chance to see side by side a seasoned pro tour rider's legs and the ones of a 16 year old already averaging at least 100 - 150 km per day, 6 days a week. The muscle is there in mass but definitely there is a difference inside those seasoned legs. It is easy to see the difference. You do not get to that state from 12 to 16. You can imagine what ten more years of hard riding and proper training can do to a developing athletes body.

Can you imagine Lance Armstrong at 16 racing versus Lance Armstrong at 26? He was good at that age (and way better at 17) but... was he already time trialing at +400 watts at 15-16? Maybe as a 17-18 Junior rider, but I do not think that he was able to do that as a 15-16 y/o Youth rider.

I might be wrong IMO, but if you are doing 22 minutes for that distance averaging at least 44 kph at 16 y/o you are doing good. Keep it up!

Sergio
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Sergio Escutia

Jul 4, 09 8:58

Post #65 of 66 (135 views)

Re: 10 mile tt times [Sergio Escutia] [In reply to]	Can't Post

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[..] What I wanted to point out is that it is of little value to compare performance just by taking into account the average speeds of TTs even when they are around the same distance. [..]
Sergio

Lance averaged 46 kph for a TT that was 9.6 mi long. Those that watched the race know why but 46 kph taken out of context seems like a slow speed for him.

As I mentioned before in this thread, comparing average speed for similar distance TTs is not of much use.

Sergio
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Carl Spackler

Jul 4, 09 9:20

Post #66 of 66 (122 views)

Re: 10 mile tt times [rik] [In reply to]	Can't Post

rik,

it greatly pleases me that you get the name... few others have figured that out!

speaking of smackdown, i'm off on the weeks. is it this coming wednesday or the one after? also, it's officially moved over by the dunlap tt course?

kevin: hopefully next year at natz they'll put the tt first and rr second. looking at the results in my ag, everyone that did the rr was well back. i bailed on the rr for fear of that happening, particulary when the 800-lb gorilla is a specialist.

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