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53 to 54 tooth chain ring: any physiological effects?

 

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ericM35-39

Nov 12, 09 8:47

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53 to 54 tooth chain ring: any physiological effects? Can't Post

assuming same power, cadence and gear ratio... are there any physiological effects of going from a 53 to 54 tooth chain ring? Does it *feel* different? IS it different?

Also, after riding w/ a bigger chain ring for a while, are there any physiological adaptations over time?

my assumption is that as long as the power, cadence and gear ratio are the same it doesn't matter what you have up front.


Tom A.

Nov 12, 09 8:56

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Re: 53 to 54 tooth chain ring: any physiological effects? [ericM35-39] [In reply to] Can't Post

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assuming same power, cadence and gear ratio... are there any physiological effects of going from a 53 to 54 tooth chain ring? Does it *feel* different? IS it different?

Also, after riding w/ a bigger chain ring for a while, are there any physiological adaptations over time?

my assumption is that as long as the power, cadence and gear ratio are the same it doesn't matter what you have up front.

By definition, the same gear ratio is...the same gear ratio.




styrrell

Nov 12, 09 8:56

Post #3 of 11 (396 views)
Re: 53 to 54 tooth chain ring: any physiological effects? [ericM35-39] [In reply to] Can't Post

Correct, for the same gear ratio it won't matter. The only possible issue I see is It could change the chainline a bit which effects efficieny a tiny tiny bit.

Styrrell


Gandalf

Nov 12, 09 9:24

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Re: 53 to 54 tooth chain ring: any physiological effects? [Tom A.] [In reply to] Can't Post

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In Reply To:
assuming same power, cadence and gear ratio... are there any physiological effects of going from a 53 to 54 tooth chain ring? Does it *feel* different? IS it different?

Also, after riding w/ a bigger chain ring for a while, are there any physiological adaptations over time?

my assumption is that as long as the power, cadence and gear ratio are the same it doesn't matter what you have up front.

By definition, the same gear ratio is...the same gear ratio.


Damn I wish you could explain this simple scientific fact to half the French triathletes I know. I've spent hours arguing with them because I put a 53' font on my wife's bike and they think it's too much for her. But she just changes cogs until the ratio/cadence suits her and then is no different to anyone else. As long as the gear ratio suits the cadence it doesn't matter how you got there. But trying explaining to a Frenchman that 39x14 is the same as 53x19 and you're in for a long, and ultimately pointless discussion. Short of putting them on a cycle trainer blindfolded there is no way to convince them. Logic, reason and scientific theory have not worked so far.
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Bell Head

Nov 12, 09 9:32

Post #5 of 11 (340 views)
Re: 53 to 54 tooth chain ring: any physiological effects? [Gandalf] [In reply to] Can't Post

It is probably a minor issue, but perhaps 39x14 has a straighter chain line than 53x19 and thereforeslightly less friction.

Now I'm going to have to check my family tree to see if I have any French ancestors...


morpheus

Nov 12, 09 9:40

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Re: 53 to 54 tooth chain ring: any physiological effects? [ericM35-39] [In reply to] Can't Post

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jackmott

Nov 12, 09 9:44

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Re: 53 to 54 tooth chain ring: any physiological effects? [Gandalf] [In reply to] Can't Post

my fiancee', who is new to cycling, was out at a local training loop and some guy started talking to her

he said since she is new she should keep it in the small chainring for the first year.

now, besides this being stupid advice in general, she has 650 wheels...she was already spinning out the BIG ring she had at the time on slight downhills.

a few minutes later she dropped him.

people are craaaazy
you can see the same sorts of arguments in car forums about gear ratio, horsepower, and torque.

no car guy on earth will admit that engine torque doesn't matter all that much. not a one. someone will chime in here to tell me Im an idiot, count on it.

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assuming same power, cadence and gear ratio... are there any physiological effects of going from a 53 to 54 tooth chain ring? Does it *feel* different? IS it different?

Also, after riding w/ a bigger chain ring for a while, are there any physiological adaptations over time?

my assumption is that as long as the power, cadence and gear ratio are the same it doesn't matter what you have up front.

By definition, the same gear ratio is...the same gear ratio.


Damn I wish you could explain this simple scientific fact to half the French triathletes I know. I've spent hours arguing with them because I put a 53' font on my wife's bike and they think it's too much for her. But she just changes cogs until the ratio/cadence suits her and then is no different to anyone else. As long as the gear ratio suits the cadence it doesn't matter how you got there. But trying explaining to a Frenchman that 39x14 is the same as 53x19 and you're in for a long, and ultimately pointless discussion. Short of putting them on a cycle trainer blindfolded there is no way to convince them. Logic, reason and scientific theory have not worked so far.
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Tom A.

Nov 12, 09 9:59

Post #8 of 11 (296 views)
Re: 53 to 54 tooth chain ring: any physiological effects? [jackmott] [In reply to] Can't Post

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no car guy on earth will admit that engine torque doesn't matter all that much. not a one. someone will chime in here to tell me Im an idiot, count on it.

You're an idiot :-)


jackmott

Nov 12, 09 10:15

Post #9 of 11 (271 views)
Re: 53 to 54 tooth chain ring: any physiological effects? [Tom A.] [In reply to] Can't Post

see!

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no car guy on earth will admit that engine torque doesn't matter all that much. not a one. someone will chime in here to tell me Im an idiot, count on it.

You're an idiot :-)
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ericM35-39

Nov 12, 09 10:16

Post #10 of 11 (270 views)
Re: 53 to 54 tooth chain ring: any physiological effects? [Tom A.] [In reply to] Can't Post

so a 54-15 *feels* exactly the same as, say, a 108-30 w/ 700cc wheels and 172.5 cranks?

I think the term I'm looking for is "inertia" or "torque" but I'm not sure.

I remember back to my BMX days where you had a slew of options in freewheels but in the end 44-16 was the popular selection. You didn't see any 11t freewheels or 20t freewheels.


jackmott

Nov 12, 09 10:18

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Re: 53 to 54 tooth chain ring: any physiological effects? [ericM35-39] [In reply to] Can't Post

exactly
the
same
(unless the 108-30 weighed 5lbs more)



In Reply To:
so a 54-15 *feels* exactly the same as, say, a 108-30 w/ 700cc wheels and 172.5 cranks?

I think the term I'm looking for is "inertia" or "torque" but I'm not sure.

I remember back to my BMX days where you had a slew of options in freewheels but in the end 44-16 was the popular selection. You didn't see any 11t freewheels or 20t freewheels.
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(This post was edited by jackmott on Nov 12, 09 10:20)

   
 
 
 

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