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jomor
Nov 19, 09 8:18
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Best aero frame bottle
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I'm thinking about getting an aero frame bottle/cage for my P2k, and wondering if folks have any feedback on which of the following is best or any other suggestions -
1. Arundel
2. Bontrager Speed Bottle
3. Profile Razor
Thanks in advance,
Jon
It doesn't matter what you do tomorrow and it doesn't matter what you did yesterday. It's about today, and making today count. Rappstar 11.22.09
jackmott
Nov 19, 09 8:20
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bontrager speed bottle:
rattles around in its 'cage' after a while.
do not recommend
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Tom A.
Nov 19, 09 8:39
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Re: Best aero frame bottle [jackmott]
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bontrager speed bottle:
rattles around in its 'cage' after a while.
do not recommend
Don't "squeeze" the "long" sides when you close the nozzle...hold it across the "short" sides when you close it. No rattles.
Another option is the Specialized bottle. It seems to "match up" with quite a few frames fairly well.
edit: I take that back on the Specialized bottle since I forgot the OP was talking about a P2K. The Spec bottle works well with downtube bosses, while the P2K only has seat tube bosses. I used a Bontrager bottle on my P2k, but I had to drill some extra holes in the cage to get it lowered nicely in the frame:
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jackmott
Nov 19, 09 8:43
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ill give that a try, i think it has more to do with the 'cage' opening up over time. maybe no though
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john
Nov 19, 09 8:48
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I've only tried the Profile Razor and can tell you that with time the connection gets very loose - probably the metal "pinchers" spread out a bit. It got to where the bottle was falling out at least once/ride so I took it off and went back to a standard cage/bottle.
ggeiger
Nov 19, 09 8:55
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After a year of use, no issues at all with my Bontrager Speed bottle.
grosso27
Nov 19, 09 9:00
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x2.
Mine sounds like I have a tupperware full of spare change at this point.
I have tried everything...
New bottle
Paying attention to how I squeeze it
Covering the bottle & the cage with tape.
It looks cool, it serves a purpose, thought it's small, and I hate behind-the-saddle things..
But I'm not convinced by the speed bottle.
Elite_Tri
Nov 19, 09 10:31
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Tom A.
Nov 19, 09 10:49
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Too much concern with aerodynamics and weight, etc
Just ride your bike
Why are those things mutually exclusive in your world?
Elite_Tri
Nov 19, 09 10:52
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Tom A.
Nov 19, 09 10:56
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Put it into perspective, would concentrating on riding your bike hard, and even harder give you more gain in the long run,
or will getting an aerodynamic water bottle make you faster?
just saying
I'm just saying that there's nothing wrong with doing both...is there a rule against that or something?
Elite_Tri
Nov 19, 09 10:58
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Tom A.
Nov 19, 09 10:59
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Budgets
Does everyone have the same budget constraints?
MOP_Mike
Nov 19, 09 11:06
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Tom, tom, tom. [shakes head.]
Are you packing a picnic lunch in that huge bag dangling under your saddle? And what about that rear skewer sticking up in the wind?
I may have to change my tag line. ;-)
"...Sometimes it's about getting the most speed out of the motor you have." -- Tom A.
Tom A.
Nov 19, 09 11:10
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Tom, tom, tom. [shakes head.]
Are you packing a picnic lunch in that huge bag dangling under your saddle? And what about that rear skewer sticking up in the wind?
I may have to change my tag line. ;-)
Every time I post pics from this TT series it seems I have to explain some of this stuff:
- It's an informal TT that I ride to from my house. I need a patch kit/tube/CO2 just so I know I can make it home. It's just like a training ride. To make you feel better though, later in the year I was packing that stuff in a bento ;-)
- That skewer is in the shadow of the rear chainstay.
BMAN
Nov 19, 09 11:20
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I have been using the Bontrager Speed Bottle with good success on a few bikes. I currently am building up a P2K and will be using this bottle like Tom has done. As he mentioned, you have to drill new mounting holes in the cage to lower the cage on the seattube but you can really get this bottle down low to the BB. I think the bottle is just touching the downtube on mine when as low as possible on the seattube.
I am however thinking of getting the Wedgie in the near future and using a dimpled water bottle on there. ;^)
Aero & Light is Right
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Juanmoretime
Nov 19, 09 11:27
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Is it more aero without the bottle at all if the tt would not require you to drink any fluids? Like a 20K tt?
MOP_Mike
Nov 19, 09 11:27
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I'm just kiddin' ya Tom. You're still my hero!
BTW, check here for a peek at my flat kit solution:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...post=2595487#2595487
-Mike
"...Sometimes it's about getting the most speed out of the motor you have." -- Tom A.
BMAN
Nov 19, 09 11:59
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I am actually not sure if it is more aero or not. I think for a TT, I would go no bottle at all but for races where I need water I actually use a bottle between the aerobar extensions and put my repair stuff in my aero bottle.
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jackmott
Nov 19, 09 12:08
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yes, it is almost always more aero to have no bottle
and come on, you don't need fluids for a 40k tt either =)
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Is it more aero without the bottle at all if the tt would not require you to drink any fluids? Like a 20K tt?
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Sunglasses:
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Tri Gear:
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Cheap Disc Wheel -
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Tire Crr Data -
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show pony
Nov 19, 09 12:14
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FWIW the Arundel in it's lowest mount sits flush against both tubes:
And besides, it's Arundel...end of story.
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jomor
Nov 19, 09 12:23
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Very nice!! I think we may have a winner!! Have you had any "issues" with the Arundel, similar to what others have noted about the Bontrager?
It doesn't matter what you do tomorrow and it doesn't matter what you did yesterday. It's about today, and making today count. Rappstar 11.22.09
show pony
Nov 19, 09 12:26
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No issues thus far. Like I said, it's Arundel...they do this for a living.
blood, sweat...and big gears
I hated every minute of training, but I said, ''Don't quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.''
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Doru
Nov 19, 09 12:35
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After a year of use, no issues at all with my Bontrager Speed bottle.
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I second that.
cth
Nov 19, 09 12:35
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"Every time I post pics from this TT series it seems I have to explain some of this stuff:"
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Tom,
What kind of bars/pads are on that bike? They look kind of like a funky, narrow one-piece bar that Scott made 18+/- years ago (at least from a side view).
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