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Running shirtless against the USAT rule ?

sportzilla

Nov 3, 09 21:00

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Does anyone know if this is the case ? I like running without shirt in hot weather. I won't discard the shirt, just hold it in my hand and will put it back on near the finish line.

I guess that's ok, right?

If you see a guy running without shirt at this year FLA IM - that likely be me...(if the weather gets hot)

Any comments are appreciated.

(This post was edited by sportzilla on Nov 3, 09 21:05)

JenHS

Nov 3, 09 21:30

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If you read the athlete guide it says shoes and shirt must be worn at all times. I guess that means no, it isn't OK.

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Uncle Phil

Nov 3, 09 21:33

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It's not a USAT rule, but it is a WTC rule.

snoots

Nov 3, 09 21:42

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You need to have a shirt on in WTC races. You can, however, run in a sleeveless tri-top with a zipper that goes to your navel... just zip it up before the finish...

Ironrav

Nov 4, 09 3:02

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As they say - "No shoes, no shirt, no service". Besides, could you imagine if all races were shirtless? You'd get your taken out!
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afbadbrad

Nov 4, 09 3:42

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I believe it is up to race director. I know a race I did back home that was a USAT race I raced shirtless but then other races have specifically stated you must wear a shirt.

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ElGordo

Nov 4, 09 4:08

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You need to have a shirt on in WTC races. You can, however, run in a sleeveless tri-top with a zipper that goes to your navel... just zip it up before the finish...

I really wish someone had reminded Chris McCormack of this before his infamous "man-boobs" Kona finish back in 2007.

Seriously, there is no USAT rule requirement but WTC does not race under USAT rules, so check with the RD. USAT does ban nudity, so no junk. K? Thx.

(This post was edited by ElGordo on Nov 4, 09 4:09)

jyeager

Nov 4, 09 5:57

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I started racing in a tri top this season, but in past years I went shirtless until just before the finish where I'd pull on my shirt. I'd have my number pre-pinned to that shirt and hold it in my hand after T2 just as you described.
USAT is fine with it as long as the race director is.

But your IM isn't USAT. In that race you probably need to wear your shirt.

Fleck

Nov 4, 09 6:04

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I guess that's ok, right?

That's right, with all due respect, for YOU, they have a different set of rules.

Why is stuff like this always such a challenge?

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hgrong

Nov 4, 09 6:13

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Does anyone know if this is the case ? I like running without shirt in hot weather. I won't discard the shirt, just hold it in my hand and will put it back on near the finish line.

I guess that's ok, right?

If you see a guy running without shirt at this year FLA IM - that likely be me...(if the weather gets hot)

Any comments are appreciated.

Don't forget your iPod. And make sure your entire extended family is there to jog down the finish chute with you.

aquaman1

Nov 4, 09 6:16

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and you can get right on the bike at the rack, and not strap your helmet

Thom

Nov 4, 09 6:34

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Going into an IM it might be a good time to read throught the rules yourself. The USAT rules can be found at USATriathlon.com (dispite what some in this thread have said, USAT rules apply in WTC events). Then go to the IM Florida athlete guide and read through the race specific rules that are either additions or exceptions to the USAT rules.

With all the time, thought and preperation that goes into an IM, it's strange how many people don't bother to take the time to read the rules.

Thom

Peanut

Nov 4, 09 6:47

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Re: Running shirtless against the USAT rule ? [sportzilla] [In reply to]	Can't Post

WTC races in the US (those labeled Ironman and 70.3) do race under USAT rules, but they have gotten a bunch of rules changes for their races.

USAT rules allow men to run shirtless on the bike and run. WTC races have a change which requires shirts on the bike and run.

Other USAT races also have the option of requiring shirts on the bike and run, they just need to ask USAT for a rule change. If they do get a change, they need to announce it to the athletes.

I was at a 70.3 race this past summer. While waiting for awards, I overheard a conversation that went like this:

Athlete: I was told by the timing company that I was disqualified. Why?
Head ref: What's your number? (looks at his list of penalties) Did an official show you a yellow card out on the bike course?
Athlete: yes
Head ref: Did you stop at a penalty tent?
Athlete: Well, no, I didn't know where it was.
Head ref: If you're shown a yellow or red card out on the bike course and don't stop at the tent, it's a disqualification. Did you read the athlete's guide?
Athlete: No.
Head ref: It talked about it. Did you attend any of the mandatory meetings, where I emphasized that not stopping was a DQ?
Athlete: Well, no, my friend and I had some shopping to do.
Head ref: It's the athlete's job to know what the rules are. If you don't have time to read the guide or go to one of the meetings, at least find the head referee before the race starts and ask if there's anything special you need to know.

Ouch.

To the OP:

Most of us play by the rules that are in place for the race we're in. If you do choose to break the rules and run IMFL without a shirt, just know what the penalty is so you'll be ready. Anyone here know for sure? If not, talk to the referee.

(This post was edited by Peanut on Nov 4, 09 6:50)

h2ofun

Nov 4, 09 7:02

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Steve, so many special people in our sport that could care less how what they do might impact others.

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FLA Jill

Nov 4, 09 7:22

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Re: Running shirtless against the USAT rule ? [Ironrav] [In reply to]	Can't Post

The local sprints 'round here do not care if a man wears a shirt or not. The world hasn't come to an end; no one has problems getting permits because of it either.

Fleck

Nov 4, 09 7:53

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Steve, so many special people in our sport that could care less how what they do might impact others.

Dave,

More and more I am finding triathlon an interesting barometer of where our society is at!

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golfer17

Nov 4, 09 7:57

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I used to do all the local sprints and oly's shirtless and nobody said a thing, however, give a tri top a try. If it fits well, you might be surprised that you actually like it. I certainly was. Plus, if you ever get sponsored, you'll have to start wearing one anyways!

VegasTrilete

Nov 4, 09 8:10

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No matter what others do or what the RD says, follow the rules. To do what is right, even when no one is looking. That means you don't toss the empty goo but stuff it away until you can find a garbage can. Wearing a singlet. Yes. When the water goes over 78, even if the RD says wetsuits are ok, you don't (not that I would anyway because of overheating). Not drafting but staying legal even if pelotons are all over you. And on an on. And the use of banned substances. No discussion.

And so at the end of the day, you have given it your all. DId the best you could. Helped others in need as much as possible. Was a positive influence toward others. No matter what the performance outcome, one can say, "yes, I did right".

TRI Tom

Nov 4, 09 9:14

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Train as you are going to race. Wear a top during your training to get your body accustomed to the heat and humidity. There are a lot of options out there to stay cool even while wearing clothes - Pearlizumi's P.R.O. Tri suit comes to mind. Wearing the shirt will also help with UV protection.
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austindog

Nov 4, 09 9:22

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But I need a picture of myself shirtless and racing a triathlon so I can put it on my facebook page. A post-race photo is not smarmy enough.

The_Mickstar

Nov 4, 09 9:50

Post #21 of 22 (286 views)

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If you read the athlete guide it says shoes and shirt must be worn at all times. I guess that means no, it isn't OK.

I find the "shoes" part interesting. The NBC coverage of IM Hawaii a couple/few years ago kept showing some guy that was having a bad day (I think he was French) sitting at one of the run turnarounds with his shoes off eating a bag of potatoe chips. Then, later, they showed him walking past the inspirational mile message board carrying his shoes. No mention of a DQ.?.

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Bucky

Nov 4, 09 9:53

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I believe it is course specific, but the norm for most races these days. They should have a no man bra rule, too, but unfortunately, they only ban shirtlessness.