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devashish_paul
Mar 1, 04 11:06
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Fleck...southern Ontario ??? Give me a break bud. It does not come close to most of Canada with respect to venues to train. The racing though is great. Anyway, I did a 40K XC ski this morning before work here in Ottawa and was in the cube at 9:30 am. Can you do that where you live :-). The network of roads, trails and lakes is fabulous here for anyone interested in racing tris, mountain biking, XC skiing, or adventure racing. Guess where Peter Reid was living before he placed 3rd at Nice in 1995 behind Lessing and Van Lierde ? Yup, right here in Ottawa. That being said, Victoria is the place to be !
Kentiger
Mar 1, 04 11:06
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Everybody knows the secret Canadian weapon...Canadian beer.
cerveloguy
Mar 1, 04 11:13
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"right here in Ottawa."
The nation's capital is set up properly with lots of green space, bike and running trails. Is an example of what a liveable city should be. Also nice to have the Gatineau hills across the river. I could move there in a minute.
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Mar 1, 04 11:13
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Dev,
My sincere apologies. My definition of "Southern Ontario" is anything south of Sudbury or Sault St Marie, and that would include the wonderful Ottawa region which is a training gem, to be sure.
Fleck
P.S. No I could not do what you did today. It's an hour to Hardwood from my house.
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devashish_paul
Mar 1, 04 11:16
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Fleck, wake up at 4 am, drive to hardwood, on skis by 6 am, 50K, done at 8:15, drive to your office for 9:15 :-). Of course, you can make that happen here by waking up at a more "sane" 5:30 am :-). We do have wonderful facilities though and lot of fabulous races. For all our friends in the US North East, come and check out some of our races in Ontario. You'll be pleased with the price and quality of the field and the quality of the events.
cerveloguy
Mar 1, 04 11:17
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"...Canadian beer. "
Can't remember the last time I drank a Blue, 50, Ex or Canadian. You can get so many good microbrews and foreign beers now in Ontario I doubt if I'll ever buy Labatt's or Molson again. I'd say Moosehead and Alexander Keith's are now my favorite Canuk beers.
Kentiger
Mar 1, 04 11:26
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Rickards Red..and most of the Sleeman line...mmm
oh wait..I don't drink beer...my bad..back to the couch
Kentiger
Mar 1, 04 11:28
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And besides..Molson isn't just about beer anymore (as the recent police visit to the old Barrie factory will prove). Seems everyone is trying to diversify these days.
Ed in IL
Mar 1, 04 12:07
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who cares? Canada is our friendly neighbor to the North. There are very strong for a country without the ideal tri climate. Kudos to them. The US also has some great triathletes, Deboom, the entire womans itu squad and other scattered athletes. I root for both. Just beat the europeans.
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Quadius Maximus
Mar 1, 04 12:36
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are you stoned? you might have XC skied this morning, but i put 3.5 hrs on the bike, and the last time i checked, cycling was a part of triathlon, and XC was not (biathlon maybe, but not tri). Yes, canada did sweep the most recent iron championships, but as other people have stated, what about all the other championships? What about just last year? Deboom? Tons of the top pros are american, and almost all of the top AGers hail from the southern 48 states. Of course Canada has great places to train, but so do SoCal and CO. Tri is also really big in FL, if you wanted to, you can do 2 full IM, 3+ 1/2 IM, along with sprint or olympics every week, without having to drive more than 3 hrs in any one direction. Is Canada good? sure, but i wouldnt go as far to say the US doesnt compare.
Kentiger
Mar 1, 04 12:50
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Pretty sure Paul was referring to BC as the place to be 'in Canada'. Sure all those places and athletes have merit but we Canadians are so used to hearing about how wonderful these races are..yet hardly hear about Americans racing in Canada. Comparing US athletes/races is like apples and oranges. Why not let some of your pride slide and come up here and see how the oranges (or apples if you prefer) get it done. We need to feel some national pride now and then too...prove us wrong.
devashish_paul
Mar 1, 04 13:46
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Nope, I am not stoned (although being high on oxygen at sunrise at 6:40 am, with the sun bouncing off the snow, skis flying at 20 kph and my heart pumping is a nice alternative). The engine does not know the difference between XC skiing, running, swimming or biking. When the snow melts, all those fabulous xc ski trails will become roads for road biking or trails for mountain biking or trail running. Last time I checked, weight training was not part of a triathlon, nor is mountainbiking. Many still do them. Anyway, the point is that you do whatever you have to do to get the training in.
Never said that Canada was better at anything than the US. All I said is that we have some good athletes and some wonderful places to train, that you'd never know of if you only read the mainstream tri publications. Having raced across the US and Canada for 19 years in tri, there are few races that exceed the quality and price of races in Ontario.
Mr. Tibbs
Mar 1, 04 13:49
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If Canada would just accept the fact they are just the 51st state then youe would see that American triathletes are the best.
Mr. Tibbs will justify your sins.
Quadius Maximus
Mar 1, 04 14:36
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maybe the heart and lungs dont know the difference, but the muscles sure do, and nothing trains the cycling specific muscles quite like cycling (mountainbiking uses the exact same muscles, and weight lifting does a great job of preventing injury). I spend the fall as a bike racer, and believe the more days cycling outdoors, the better you get. Im definately a better cyclist come race day if i preped by cycling than if i preped by rowing. Now as for my saying the US is similar to Canada, and that Canada doesnt blow the US out of the water, i was responding more to the forum in general, but didnt feel like putting up multiple posts. All i was saying is that, many people say canada is awesome for tri, and better than the US (again, topic of the thread, not you) because it has all these great trails and everything, but by your own admission, you are forced to, "do whatever you have to do to get the training in." because its so cold there! By the time the snow has melted, ive already been training outdoors for months, not a great thing if your facing someone like me (in that they get to train early, not talking about ability :- P ) in an early season tri. Maybe its just because i was raised in FL that i have such an aversion to cold.
devashish_paul
Mar 1, 04 14:37
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I think many of us already have accepted the 51st state thing. We just need to put up some token opposition to make ourselves feel quasi independent :-).
Pooks
Mar 1, 04 14:43
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"There's no reason for Americans not to like triathlon. It's an "American-invented" sport, it's been dominated by Americans, lots of Americans do it, etc."
The fact is that, unless you are a triathlete yourself, triathlon is not a fun sport to watch. This is especially true of TV. I love this sport, but I fell asleep watching IM Brazil a while back. My family and some of my friends love going to an occasional race of mine. They would never go to, or tune into a race if I weren't in it. There is one exception; my brother and brother-in-law would both tune in for Kona. But being as they're both die hard Red Sox fans, they're both a little "off".
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Mar 1, 04 21:47
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Population wise, Canada is 1/10th the size of the US. So, proportionately speaking, Canadians are dominating much of the long course. Why, I don't know...
As a resident of Victoria, BC I am amazed at the number of triathletes here. The depth of talent and number of young people becoming involved is awesome. We have 2 Oly size pools in town as well as a number of 25M pools. Any time of day, 7 days a week they are in great demand. Simon, Peter and Lori have given of themselves to the local tri community which has been very influential. The Canadian National Triathlon Team is located here as well are a number of International athletes such as Greg Bennett and Laura Reback and a few unnamed Americans I've seen lurking around!
Victoria truly is a great place to train as a professional or age grouper wanting a balanced life. Wait a few more years, you ain't seen nothing yet!
Congratulations to Marilyn MacDonald. - IM Malaysia Winner!
Allan
Mar 2, 04 4:18
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Hey Mr. Tibbs, enough with the 51st state. When I was driving down to IMFL last fall I stopped for gas in Alambama (here comes the yokel stereotype) and the guy working at the gas station looked at my Ontario license plate and asked me "Ontario, where's that state?"
As for the Canada vs. US triathlon thread, I think that it is a matter of having a few really great athletes at the same time and this type of thing goes in cycles. Success breeds more success since if you get a few real stars then some up and comers start training with them and trying to unseat them and good things happen. When that group gets too old and retires there can be a few lean years until someone new arrives on the scene to boost things up again.
cerveloguy
Mar 2, 04 6:10
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"Ontario, where's that state?"
I've lived in the the USA and Canada. Trust me that average Canadians know a lot more about the USA than average Americans know about Canada. In fact Canadians know a lot more more about the rest of the world than do Americans in general.
Dennis 55
Mar 2, 04 6:22
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What study shows this? Not that I doubt it. Just would like to read the study : )
JasoninHalifax
Mar 2, 04 6:24
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Heh-heh. Reminds me of "Talking to Americans" on "This hour has 22 minutes", on the rare occasion that I get to watch it. Do they still do that segment?
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Mar 2, 04 6:31
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maybe in geography :-))
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Mar 2, 04 6:42
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before I get blasted by some americans who think I hate them here, to keep a balance, I may add this quote from a former french prime minister (during giscard d'estaing I believe)
" a year ago, our economy was at the edge of an abyss. Since then we have made a huge step forward"
so everyone's happy :-)
cerveloguy
Mar 2, 04 7:12
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Just my own personal observations having lived in both places. The further away from the CDN border, the less Americans tend to know about Canada.
I've also noticed southerners are the least knowledgeable about Canada.
Dennis 55
Mar 2, 04 7:33
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I know what you mean . I met a canadian one time who was stupid and now I think they all are ; )
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