some of the old HED wheels that were painted/decaled to match the early QRoos would look cracking. (Or even some newer wheels in the old scheme)

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Yes, they would definitely. But 650c is a very small market today (almost no market at all); I was lucky enough to find a source that is giving away Vision team 30's in 650c, they should look good too

What a great project! Sweet score!

This takes me back. I have one in storage, a piece of history -- rides quite nicely.

I'm sure you've see this article: https://www.slowtwitch.com/...e_Superform_274.html

I can't remember the rear spacing, but I think that may be set up for 6/7 speed. If memory serves (not that I'm suggesting anyone ever do this), I just strong armed the stays and pulled them apart so they would fit newer stuff. Steel baby!

I hope you keep us updated on your progress.

this isn't my favorite among all of them, but it's not bad! it would be around 1991 or so.

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The frame here has 130mm rear spacing (suitable with newer hubs and wheels, of course with rim braking). I think it's a "later" Superform, in fact it spots internal routing for the rear brake. Apart the size, Thomas Hellriegel rode an identical frame at the 1992 ITU worlds . And yes, I will give updates about the project!

I have noticed that earlier superforms are "taller" (longer steerer tube) with respect to later models. Is there a particular reason for this fact?

that's nice...

see if you can find some NOS grip shifts to really make it work.

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some of this is from memory, but remember a few things. first, the bike has 650c wheels. otherwise, look at where the pads sit on the image of that bike of yours. once we move from scott DH bars to syntace bars we had to account for a 7cm rise in the pads versus the centerline of the pursuit bar. that's versus, say, 2cm or so, maybe 2.5cm, from the bar bore to the top of the armrests in the bike in the image. we had to drop the height of the frame stack to accommodate for the change in aerobars.

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here. this is my fave of the bunch. probably 1990 or so. between 90 and 92.

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that's hideous in all the ways I like.
The Salsa stem is the chef's kiss

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i'm trying to remember whose bike that is. it's got a name on it, but i can't read the name.

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i don't have any of the old stuff, bikes or wetsuits. well, if i do it's very little. that bike is too small for me, but i absolutely remember building it. i just don't remember who i built it for. i remember those pursuit bars, which i was happy to find because they weren't deep drop, and because they let me put a level hood on there. maybe they were modolo. i don't remember. and those shifters were under the tape on the extensions. i believe it was SRAM, i think they made a version of the twist shifter where the whole handgrip shifted. that's what was on there.

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the mismatched bottle cages and yellow armcups are just killing me.

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hey! the bottle cages are part of the paint scheme! one is teal, the other white. you probably don't appreciate picasso either!

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Thanks Dan, this makes a lot of sense

the clipless campy pedals (look patent) arrived first in 1992

thanks! I really like gripshifts but I already have dura ace bar end tt shifters that will get the job done!

and the framefit pump is piece of art too!

Those QR bikes are pretty badass looking for 1990-92.

i think they went pretty fast too. i believe zack set the kona bike course record on one, and he rode maybe 4:27? there were quite a few fast splits, men and women, on that particular vintage of bike. i suspect the steel ones like this were faster than the subsequent aluminum ones.

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As a thought exercise...

How many minutes at 200w would a 75kg dude with an average position give up over the bike leg at Kona on that vs a new super bike?

More than 5min? Less than 5min? Genuinely have no idea...

we could probably make a good estimate, but i honestly don't know.

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Rode that frame for 3-4 years! Loved the "Road Kill' paint scheme if I recall correctly due to the red splash.

Dan?

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"road kill" is the right name for a badass bike...
a couple of questions about fit:
my superform frame has 57cm toptube, my tt bike is a size 56 slice, with a 11cm stem; which stem should I use on the superform? I'd say 10cm, right?
looking at those old picture all the superforms spot seatposts with 2cm (or so) setback, I'd rather try with a 0 setback (thompson?), any thoughts? btw, is the seatpost size 27.2 on early 90's superforms?
thanks!

Has anyone ever tried to internet fight you about Quintana Roo not realizing they were taking to the founder of QR?

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Back in the late '80s, there was a custom painter (can't remember who) who offered a finish called "Road Kill", which was white with red splatters, and a scattering of cat hair under the clear coat...

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All the background info I've seen online for QR always talks about you and the wetsuits and whatnot. Or the bikes and such.

What's the origin of the name?

I mean, it's a Mexican state in the Yucatan. That's all I know of anything else named Quintana Roo. I love the Yucatan btw. Buena gente, comida sabrosisima, buenas vistas.

Possibly a favorite place for holidays

A quick update: 650c wheels are hard to find these days; I was lucky enough to find an online shop with still a few of these Vision's and at a discount price too.
Might peel off the stickers if I see that they look too "space age" on the Superform.
Now I have to pick the tyres; very limited choice here also:
Conti GP (wire)
Conti Gatorskin (wire)
Vittoria Rubino (fold)
Panaracer Closer (fold)
[all 23mm wide]
price range from 25$ to 35$, with GP's the cheapest and Gatorskin's the richest
I'm leaning on Vittoria's. Suggestions?

a quick update, for the few interested: this is going to be the cockpit; base bar and brake levers coming from gf's bike (now she's got a carbon one-piece), clip on's coming from my spares' warehouse. now I'm waiting for the tyres; next week I will start the build

If you want to go all-in; I have a scott extremes bar that is unused, and Id let it go very very cheap. What were you going to go with for brakes? Maybe a set of the machined cane creek ones? Those were pretty light, and mostly slowed one down...
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While my stable runs from old to new (87 Centurion Ironman Expert, 1997 QR PR7, 2001 Litespeed Sabre, 2009 QR Caliente, and 2014 Cervelo P3), I do have to admit my 1988 Superform is possibly my favorite. Cant beat the Tom Teasdale signature paint jobs. I've never seen another set of UFO Spacehawk 650c wheels either.

I'll have to get a pic posted, mix of old and new components on it but rides great!

I remember at least another Superform listed on ebay with UFO wheels, not so long ago; possibly that was yours? The frame color was something like red & cyan. I'm really looking forward to see your ride's pictures

I'm trying to use as many components I already have as possible; incidentally, I have a set of 10s dura-ace bar end shifters and a few 10s cassettes too, therefore the rest of the drivetrain will be 10s ultegra or 10s 105, depending on what I can find in local listings. About the brakes, any good set of dual pivot calipers I think it's going to be fine

Awesome project. What size Superform? I need to find a frame like this and build it up. I have too many part laying around not to.

Not mine but FYI Liz Downing's Superform is up on the bay to give you some inspiration.

https://www.ebay.com/...2:g:JzwAAOSwVztf2pCy

Yep that's the one, couldn't say no when I saw it. It has some old and some new, I actually have a set of Rolf Elans to put on it and it has first generation Dura-Ace cranks but newer cockpit and a Sitero saddle. It's a hodgepodge but I dig it! Pics by the weekend...

large-ish frame, top tube is 57cm. it's a 2nd generation superform, the main difference with 1st gen. being a smaller frame stack; in fact, 1st gen. was designed to be built with the scott dh bar, while 2nd gen. with base bar + clip on's, therefore the frame stack was shortened (explanation by Dan "Slowman").
I believe earliest superforms had also 126mm rear hub width
if you're in the States, it shouldn't be too difficult to find the right frame for you; I'm in Europe and it's been a madness to find mine

Still trying to remember this one - Grove popped up in my mind, Landshark as well. But can't remember - I've got a visual memory of this from (I think) Bicycling mag, with a number of tubes including this, along with (of course) a space scene because it was late 80s early 90s, and a ripping red and white chessboard finish.

I think those UFO's are Italian stuff, possibly by FIR or Gipiemme (at least the rims); a kind of Campagnolo's lookalike

Beautiful f-ing bike. Keep us posted on the project.

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that was not liz's bike. we made a brief run of inexpensive bikes that were liz downing signature bikes. liz almost always raced not on our tri bikes, but on a women's road bike set up for triathlon. yes, she occasionally raced a tri bike, later on, but she raced a Quintana Roo Cat 1 for most of her pro career.

if you look here, the first pic of liz is her holding a Cat 1. the second pic is her aboard a tri bike.

so. a little liz story. i got tired of hearing how 650c wheels were slow. the US women's 40k record stood at, i think, 55:30 at the time. we got her a USCF license. we went to moriarty. liz rode 54:00. that was her one and only bike race. that was on a Cat 1.

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Great history. Did you make any other signature edition bikes for Pros?

i don't believe so. not according to my recollection. and, the liz downing sig bike wasn't a tri bike, it was a women's proportional road bike.

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Which kinds of steel tubing were used for the Superforms? I have read Excell and/or True Temper; possibly also Tange?

i don't believe we ever used true temper for the superforms. they were excel. true temper was used in this bike, which was a one-model-down version of the bike liz rode. this was the Cat 2, a women's proportional bike we built starting in 1988.

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we made no other signature bikes. just liz's bike. she was a special athlete. i wish i had better resources back then; that i knew more; that i could do more back then to leverage her unique capacity as an athlete and a person to inspire more women who were or would have been interested in pursuing an endurance avocation. while sika henry is not at the level vis-a-vis her competition - liz was i think unbeaten for 5 years or something - sika strikes me today as the sort of person liz was back in the 80s and 90s, as an influencer. fortunately, HOKA and others have recognized that.

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Tange Infinity's were also used on some Superforms (possibly m/y 1990) - pics from facebook

This is the best thread on this forum. Thanks for the updates!

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Keywin pedals?

i rode keywins for years.

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Another chapter to the story: this is a very early model (126mm rear hub spacing), and spots "tange prestige" stickers; "prestige" stood higher than "infinity" in the Tange steel tube line (heat treated and possibly other fancy features)

Did you get another frame to build up?

No, it's just another picture from the web. I still have to finish my build, but I like to gather as much information as I can about these old ladies

Show us a picture of the current build.

That Fruit Salad paint scheme (a chewy sweet for kids in the 70s UK if you're not familiar) is just lovely.

Dan where is the shifting here. Is the grip shift stealth under the bar tape? Also I see by then you had already found use for extra neoprene left over from wetsuit making....that flite saddle is "fatter". Those HED wheels are HED CX so it must by 1991 or 1992, I don't think they were around in 1990. I think 1990 was the first year Mark Allen road Zipp 440's in Kona.

1992 or later: campagnolo clipless pedals (basically look delta's replicas) arrived in 1992. Also the brakes look like 1992 campy chorus calipers. Possibly, shifters are downtube type, mounted on a bridge between the clip ons

there was, briefly, a model of gripshift where the entire handgrip was the shifter. imagine where you hold on an MTB, on a flat bar. you just twisted the handgrip. that's the shifter on that bike. as to the saddle, we sold a LOT of neoprene saddle covers back in the day. thousands and thousands. very popular. what i've thought of in recent years is whether that same motif could be resurrected for current saddles. a different pattern of course, a couple for different ISMs, one for a sitero that might also be used for certain others. maybe you make 4 or 5 silhouettes, and each one has a list of saddles it fits on.

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haha....reviving a neoprene Flite Titanium saddle cover for the shape of Sitero would be gold. It would solve all the Sitero's main drawbacks while keeping its benefits.

How is the Superform project going?

Hi! I had a hard time removing the old bottom bracket shell, but eventually it came away. Steering section is there; the drivetrain will be installed across the weekend, if everything is going as planned.
Also the frame tubing debate seems solved: all superforms with that frame design (low stack, internal brake cable, "soaring" seat tube, conical downtube) and paint scheme (roadkill), that still carry the tubing series stickers (mine has no sticker anymore), say it's Tange Ultimate Ultralight, that, according to old sources, should be quite good.

I worked at QR w Slowman from 1989-'99 (when he left,) and stayed till 2003. Our frame builder was the late, great, Tom Teesdale (TET Cycles of West Branch, IA,) and his wife, Cathy Jo did the painting. At first, we recieved a wide variety of paint jobs, all fade/splatter, some vastly more popular than others. In those days, there was such demand that we were thrilled every time we got frames delivered! At some point, we narrowed it down to our version "Road Kill" (midnight blue, neon yellow w red splatter, no cat hair) and "Flipper" (dark teal, white, with red splatter.) Those fade/splatter paint jobs were great because a.) they were bright, original, distinctive and b.) paint mistakes, or welding/polishing flaws didn't show up. I think we then changed up the paint colors per model year.

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Hello Karen, do you have any old QR catalog or brochure of the 1989-1995 era, that you would like to share? Thanks!

Is this Superform old Columbus SLX steel tubing?

I don't think Columbus SLX was ever used for Superforms; correct me if I'm wrong, but SLX's are for frames with lugs: all Superforms are fillet-brazed. This article (August 1989) says that Superforms came with either Excell or True Temper tubings, but, by browsing pictures on the web, I have discovered that even Tange's were used for them, and also of 3 different kinds (Prestige, Infinity and Ultimate). In particular, I've seen several blue/yellow ones, with Tange Ultimate's stickers, BUT as far as I can see, all Tange-built Superforms have a "stiffening" tube (can't find a better term) between the chain stays, behind the bottom bracket; mine hasn't it. Later steel Quintana Roo's, called "USA Special Edition" and "Zero Gravity", were built with Pacific (PATCO) tubes. My frame is likely from 1992, when the internal routing for the brake cable was introduced, but I can't confirm what kind of tubes it is made of (if useful, there's "MEXICO" printed on the rear mech hanger, and 29234 under the bottom bracket); hopefully Dan (or Karen) would help

Chainstay bridge.

It's hard to say to what degree stiffening is a deliberate part of the purpose of chainstay bridges. When they've got a hole drilled for-aft, they can be a useful point for bolting a fender to the frame. With horizontal dropouts, they can help prevent the tire from catching in the frame during a rapid wheel change. Kickstand mounting plates are also basically a type of chainstay bridge (and can incorporate the fender-mounting hole as well).

This is quite instructive, thank you. But the interesting part here, is that some frames have the bridge and some (of same brand and model) have not

Here we go, a few updates: changed the crank & front mech, adjusted the fit. Did a 25 miles, this thing is FAST. Project is completed, more or less...
In summary:
1992 Quintana Roo Supeform Triathlon 650c, size 57. Ultegra 6601 172.5 crankset ; 105 front mech; Rear mech: Ultegra 10s (6601); shifters & headset: Dura Ace; wheelset: Vision Team 30 650c with Vittoria Rubino tires (650c x 23mm), 105 10s cassette (11-25); Profile Aerowing bar with Deda Parabolica clip-on, stem&adapter : no brand; brakes & levers: Tektro; Zoom 0mm offset seatpost with Syncros Belcarra seat; Look Keo Max pedals

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nice! glad you like it. i'm not a huge fan of all that steerer sticking up above the head tube top. also, make sure the seat post sticks down below the junction of the top tube and seat stays. if the seat post doesn't go down past that junction, you'll probably eventually brake that seat tube off above that junction. shortly after that bike got made that you have there we just started terminating the seat tube at that junction, because you can't assume everyone is going to listen to what you say. you've got so much seat post out that i question whether that seat post is long enough to get past that joint.

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Thanks for the precious advice, Dan! The seatpost is 350mm long; a good 50mm (2 inches) remains below the seatstays junction, I think that's enough for safety. Do you think the steerer layout is not safe, or that's just a "visual" issue?

I think what Dan is saying is you want enough seat post sunk inside frame so the part inside frame goes lower than intesection of seat tube and top tube imaginary junction.

i feel the same way about the steer column as i do the seat post. that steer column, there are 2 places where i've seen problems happen. 1 place is where the stem fixes onto the steerer. that's where steerers can break. hence the expander bolt inside there. but also where the steerer pivots against the top headset bearing. the more steerer, the bigger the lever. i don't like all that lever. personally, i would not feel good riding that bike. it seems to me you're a tall person for that bike, just looking at both the amount of seat post out, and the height the bars are above the frame.

but you did an awfully nice job of putting it together!

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I think what slowman is getting at, is to ensure no failures happen, you just give that bike to someone my size whose saddle height is only 68cm above BB and pad stack height is 61cm above BB.

Now you just need some race wheels. Disclaimer these are not mine but always wanted the Superlite disc.

https://www.ebay.com/...1:g:pBwAAOSwOLFgSWxJ

This seems like an oversimplification: the real start of the "lever" is the contact points. If you lowered the stem but compensated by raising the aerobars, it wouldn't really alter what the headset (or the steerer where it contacts the headset) is dealing with.

That's actually what happens: the setapost is 350mm long; ~180mm remains below the collar and ~90mm remains below the top tube. I think there's no safety issue there at all

I'm 6ft (183cm) with 35inch (89cm) inseam. The frame has 57cm TT x 48cm ST (both center to center); ideally I would need 56x50. The good thing is that the bike feels just fine on the road.
Edit: Greg Kopecky a few years ago (around 2012-2013) built a 650C tri-bike; unlike me, he had the frame built from scratch, but the outcome, as he's a tall guy as well, doesn't look a lot different than mine

If you'd like to do a few rides with it, just show up!

look at the where the stem clamps to the steerer in this pic. my concern was how much steerer was exposed. now, on this image you posted, even this, with less steerer exposed, i would have still built the frame taller. more frame, less of the height coming from appendages (seat post, stem). that said, things have changed a lot in the last 30 years, and it's more urgent now to get the height from the frame. carbon bikes allow for more frame while preserving system stiffness, because you can pack a lot of carbon where you need it.

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i don't think that's quite right. i don't know quite where the bending moment is on that steerer, and it may in fact be inside the head tube, but steerers tend to break in one of two places: at the fork crown, and just above the head tube top. for that reason, it seems axiomatic to me to build up those areas, which is why you saw forks get wider at the bottom bearing. the stem clamp supports the integrity of the steerer from the outside, and the expansion plug supports it from the inside. when you have a lot of steerer out, you get none of that support. this is why bike companies limit the amount of steerer height they'll allow on their bikes.

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I agree! In fact, I'm fine with some outboard seatpost and steerer on this Superform

I wouldn't have a problem with a long seat post.
But I wouldn't be comfortable riding a quill stem extender at that height.
But I am only an old fart who had seen too many bad designs and front end failures during his lifetime of cycling.
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Hello sir, the stem adapter model is this:

and it's all the way down into the head tube:


If that's not safe, then no other adapter in the World would ever be. Possibly you've been fooled by the stem being oversized vs. the adapter

This 30 year old QR got to enjoy a half Ironman in Cuba just last year a month before the world changed. Sitting at Marina Hemingway just outside our bungalow where swim and transition were held . She is the second Quintana Roo I gifted to a lucky grom after the event. Wish I could build another and do it again. Doubt it. Unfortunately. For all.

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Been riding this thing for 2 months now. It started as an experiment, off a $100 frameset on ebay, and ended up as a favorite. I actually enjoy every mile aboard this bike, being it flat, climb or downhill. Good ideas never get old, kudos to Dan!

Hi all & happy new year! I have completed another 650c restoration project. The frame is an italian-built mid 90's Faggin, triathlon-specific for 650c wheels, Columbus steel tubes. I hope you like it

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Nice restoration (again). Here are some old bikes I've cleaned up. The first is a 650c QR Superform but has a slack 72-degree seat tube angle. The two others are 700c "triathlon" bikes pre-areo bars.

Very interesting bikes. The QR is possibly a prototype for producing a 650c roadie, it should be quite fun to ride! The Centurion IM's were built in Japan with customized Tange DB steel. The Peugeot Tri featured a 3rd bottle cage under the DT; it was built with Reynolds 501 steel at first, and later upgraded to the lighter Vitus 980

Stumbled upon this Superform this weekend.

The paint caught my eye first. Then the lugs. Then the Prestige steel tag. Then the "Made in USA by T.E.T". Then the "Painted by Cathy Jo". Then the enormous sprocket.

What in the world is this bike...

I'm going to be honest with you. I had never heard of Quintan Roo. I didn't know it was a legendary tri-bike. Didn't know who Tom Teesdale was.

I bought it based on the rare quality and attention to detail that clearly went into this thing.

In trying to piece the story behind this bike together, I found this thread and forum. This was by far the most valuable resource. Thank you for that. Figured I would join and share that this one is going strong.

If anyone has thoughts on what parts seem original and what have been changed, I'd love to hear.

Cheers!

the most notable non-original part of that bike are the handlebars. that bike's vintage is probably 1989 or 1990.

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Hey great pick! Bike is in amazing shape; possibly it's an early one, you can figure it out measuring the rear hub spacing (126mm vs. 130mm). What are you going to do with it?

Not necessarily related, but did QR at any point (in the 90s?) make a series of 650C road or crit bikes with steep seat tubes and drop bars? I thought they/you did at one point.

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Thanks for the info Slowman! Does the stem seem original? I'm familiar with Salsa today but not their origins at that time.

Jollyroger88– I'll take a measurement soon and see what I come up with. Right now my plan is to use it for joy rides and see if there's anything I need to change for my personal preferences. I think I will likely change the bars at some point. I might want to find something "period correct" to pay homage to what this thing was designed for. I might want to try a flat bar and go for a "streetfighter" style that is more in line with the rest of my cycling...

For now I'm just enjoying looking at it and going for short rides and reading about the history of how it came together. As a midwest guy I find it pretty cool to have a Teesdale frame.

you remember correctly.

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The salsa stem might be actually part of the original kit; I've seen a few on the Superforms back then. Possibly a bullhorn would look better than a flat bar on that bike, if that fits your riding style

I've seen a photo or two as well with the Salsa stem so I was hoping that was the case. Bullhorns are definitely something I'm considering. Would a Mavic 355 be a reasonable option? Seems period correct. Open to other suggestions on bullhorns that would have been paired with the Roo at the time.

I have a Mavic 355 on one of my rides, a '95 Scott Waimea; it's quite nice and certainly period correct, as Greg Lemond had it when he won the 1989 TdF beating Fignon in the final TT. Another period correct option would be a Cinelli Los Angeles bar, but I would be ok also with installing a cheap modern bullhorn off AliExpress

Thanks for the info! I'll definitely make a point to post here with any updates/ changes I make.

I'm not sure I ever seen one of those. I remember the small sized (women's) road bikes, whose frames had road geometries, lugged steel tubes, wishbone seat stays, and 650c wheels. I don't know if there was a model name for them

I googled this one; resembles a mid-90's Kilo (650c wheels and Easton alu frame), but with more RR friendly geo

IIRC, it was named after Liz Downing

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I've just completed another 650c "restomod project": a '95 steel Scott Waimea found cheap on marketplace; here we go!

Finally got around to mocking up the Mavic 355 bars on the Superform. Feel and look good! Need to make a decision on whether to use these levers or some Tektro RX 4.1 TT levers. Then need new / longer cables to route through the bars and a bit of bar tape. Will share final product with y'all when it is done.

Hey, those Mavic bull horns look cool. Have you put the tape on, eventually?

Hi Dan! I'm looking for info about the Scott Tinley bike at 1991 Ironman WC: it looks like a titanium frame, but, as far as I know, they weren't available at the time. It has a "Superform" sticker on the chain stay, but, looking at the seat tube junction, doesn't look like a steel frame. Was that a prototype? For instance, Tinley was aboard a steel frame the subsequent year (1992) and finally on the aluminum "Kilo" in 1993 (I think the first prototypes, delivered to him and Julianne White). Thanks in advance!

we made 3 and only 3. that's 1. lance had the 2nd. when i say we "made" them, we didn't make them. we gave the geometry to litespeed and they made them for us.

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Out of idle curiosity, where is #3?

It was my guess too that was a Litespeed built machine, not many titanium builders around at that time. Possibly it's the bike that later evolved in their own branded Tachyon. Thanks Dan!

Good question! The best QR athletes in 1991 were possibly (besides Tinley and Lance A.): Ray Browning, Liz Downing, Emilio De Soto and Mark Montgomery. On that day (Ironman WC 1991) Browning was aboard a white steel frame

went to a business contemporary of mine. there was a 55cm (lance), 57cm (that one you're talking about), 59cm (tinley, based on the image). but we're talking 30 years ago so i couldn't say where any of them are today.

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