Pulling out so early?

I'm waiting for the details before I decide.

There might be an opportunity for another finisher's medal or a towel.

If Ryan and Eric want us to post about 100/100 on this thread that is fine.

So perhaps I can explain how we got here.

In 2006-07, I hosted a virtual camp with a number of friends around the world and posted about it here on ST. because Dan Empfield like the concept of virtual camps . I had friend around the world that we were training "together with" via email and an ST thread.

From that camp, during which I ran every day, I just kept running a minimum of 30 min per day to end of Jan. At that point I was at 42 days of running and figured I may as well do the first 50 day running streak of my life.

The problem is on the 50th day I had a 50km XC ski race in Lake Placid, so I jogged 30 min as a warmup before my ski race (because I knew I would be toast afterwards) and then proceeded to do the race (oh to be young and only 41 years old...I think I finished 12th overall in that race....)....got up the next day and just rolled out of bed and ran for the 51st day...and from there, 52, at which point I figured may as well take it to 100 days. I tracked it in a google spreasheet

That spring I went to Wildflower half IM and had a crazy kick ass early season race (went sub 5 on that course) and went on to an IM PB at Lake Placid...even passed on a kona rolldown (how stupid is that ???)

So running 100 days in a row MUST BE AWESOME, and I invited friends from my local community, from around the world and from ST to join me in 2007-08.

I got around 250 joining and we ran it on a google spreadsheet with communication on local and international emails, a local tri forum and an ST Thread. By 2008-09 Herbert Krabel contacted me and asked me if he was developing a log if I wanted to move the entire thing to ST so rather than "recruiting runners" via emails, facebook messages, facebook posts, local tri forums and the ST Forum, we would reach out of all these diverse groups, point them to the ST thread and get everyone to use an ST log rather than a convoluted google sheet that I had to manually manage and create a larger global community affect.

Since that time Eric Jensen took inputs from myself, other users, Herbert/Jordan/Dan and implemented upgrades so as to support desired challenge oriented features.

Soooo all this to say, the challenge started fairly organically with one athlete getting the challenge going and recruiting athletes from various sources all around the world and then in collaboration with ST we decided everyone can win centering it all here with the forum, and associated automation on the log.

Now if ST wants to use another system to log, that's ST's choice and if others want to just join a parallel challenge on the old training log (now run independently on Eric Jenson's platform) that is fine.

When we brought the 100/100 IN HOUSE to ST, we had a number of other parallel 100/100s on the internet because some people just don't want to be here. The internet is big and the world is bigger and the concept can co exist in multiple places at exactly the same time.

So there is a challenge going on at this link:

https://training.eric-jensen.org/...enges/leaderboard/30

There will be a parallel challenge on ST

....and if anyone wants to go back to 2007, it is a free world and any of you can put together a simple google sheet, put the names down in one column, and put 100 rows beside each name and enter time of each run .

Mainly get out there and run. And if anyone needs the encouragement right now it is me !!!

Not really, I would say more like keeping the grass roots event where it has been for the last 10 years. Within this community.

Why?

Horrible form from ST to take over the challenge like this. I will only participate in EJ’s challenge and not the ST challenge.

i just don't stipulate to your characterization. first off, this was dev's idea. it was (as i recall) more like the 25/25 challenge. then it just kept going, because dev kept going. and there we were, at 100/100.

this was born as a slowtwitch activation powered by dev. or a dev activation powered by slowtwitch. or, if you want to put it another way, it was a dev/slowtwitch activation powered by eric jensen's training log, and eric and i chose to incorporate that training log into slowtwitch because it was a convenience for everyone.

what i object to is the notion that this was anything other than a slowtwitch initiative. eric was a vendor. it's like saying that an IRONMAN race belongs to sportstats, if sportstats decides to pull out.

now, as to why there is no longer a deal between eric and slowtwitch: eric j asked for a very big increase in the monthly payment to him to maintain the forum. eric w balked. i don't blame anyone. we had a sweetheart deal from eric for many years. i don't know how things might have been different if i was still making decisions. but i don't think you can blame either eric.

one way to solve this would've been for eric w to still allow eric j to host the challenge. but there are some moving pieces there and at least one other option that does make a kind of sense is to (for example) have the challenge hosted at strava, and most of us have an account there do we not?

so, again, i'm not weighing on this, other than to say no, absolutely no, this is not slowtwitch absconding with someone else's property. i have been there for hte history of this. i wrote the articles every year reminding you of this challenge. i produced the direct mails reminding you. i (or herbert, or somebody at slowtwitch) posted the threads going over the rules, considering rules changes, and then i posted and hosted the sticky thread that tracked the conversations. it was slowtwitch who pumped the air into the tires of this challenge, and it was dev, a slowtwitch community member since forever, who watched his idea grow.

so, i might agree and i might not agree with eric w's decisions on where to host the data of this challenge. but it is absolutely under his purview to do so.

Not really. I would say more like you deleted Eric's "Annual 100 / 100" post, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, locked my thread enquiring what happened when it took a direction you didn't like, and replaced it with your "Official" thread with zero details and an obvious total lack of planning.

I am not claiming that ST stole anybody's property or idea, what I am claiming is that ST had absolutely no plan (or forgot about it), and once they saw EJ's post they scrambled.

Tom said it best:



Listen, I enjoy this place, and I usually side with ST but it is pretty obvious that there were no plans, and there's probably some poor chap right now trying to put something together quickly so that ST can host this challenge, instead of just blending it with EJ's, and then be ready for it next year.

What I am calling "horrible form" is closing that other thread, making an announcement with absolutely no details or plans.

Sometimes I think this challenge should be renamed 100 complaints/100 days.

eric j chose to use a property belonging to eric w to advertise his version of the challenge. i think that's rather cheeky, don't you? i think both erics might've handled this in a slicker way. but to the point of my answer to you, when you wrote that slowtwitch is *taking over* a challenge, it sure seemed to me you meant that it was absconding with a property to which it had no right or title. if that's not what you meant, i stand corrected.

i don't stipulate to that either. in fact, on the very day that eric j's thread was posted i'd reached out to ryan and eric c to find out where we're hosting the 100/100. on monday i did my first run to get myself ready for it ;-)

eric j chose to use a property belonging to eric w to advertise his version of the challenge. i think that's rather cheeky, don't you? i think both erics might've handled this in a slicker way. but to the point of my answer to you, when you wrote that slowtwitch is *taking over* a challenge, it sure seemed to me you meant that it was absconding with a property to which it had no right or title. if that's not what you meant, i stand corrected.

in my view, the challenge belongs to the community here, and the community has the right to join whatever challenge it wants. the community built this challenge. but i greased the joints and oiled the links, goddammit, so let's just remember history correctly. there are some folks out of the country at the moment, so where this challenge will eventually be hosted i don't know yet. i am at everyone's disposal if anybody wants me help or advice, otherwise i'm confident we'll all find out where the (slowtwitch version) of the thing will be hosted and we have plenty of time if we're starting on november 15th. as you might recall, every year i ask you all when you want to start, and i generally ask that right around the 1st of november.

The only reason I locked that thread about where the discussion went was to move discussion to a single thread about 100/100.

That's a problem of forum architecture and not being able to merge them together -- that's what I would have done in an alternative format.

I'm sorry for that. I can understand you might feel like it's a lack of transparency. Not my intent.

So, that's not entirely accurate -- we've definitely locked duplicative threads in the past, when I worked in this role for Dan, and even before that (I've held various jobs at Slowtwitch since 2016).

But we'll all try to be better going forward.

i just don't stipulate to your characterization. first off, this was dev's idea. it was (as i recall) more like the 25/25 challenge. then it just kept going, because dev kept going. and there we were, at 100/100.

this was born as a slowtwitch activation powered by dev. or a dev activation powered by slowtwitch. or, if you want to put it another way, it was a dev/slowtwitch activation powered by eric jensen's training log, and eric and i chose to incorporate that training log into slowtwitch because it was a convenience for everyone.

what i object to is the notion that this was anything other than a slowtwitch initiative. eric was a vendor. it's like saying that an IRONMAN race belongs to sportstats, if sportstats decides to pull out.

now, as to why there is no longer a deal between eric and slowtwitch: eric j asked for a very big increase in the monthly payment to him to maintain the forum. eric w balked. i don't blame anyone. we had a sweetheart deal from eric for many years. i don't know how things might have been different if i was still making decisions. but i don't think you can blame either eric.

one way to solve this would've been for eric w to still allow eric j to host the challenge. but there are some moving pieces there and at least one other option that does make a kind of sense is to (for example) have the challenge hosted at strava, and most of us have an account there do we not?

so, again, i'm not weighing on this, other than to say no, absolutely no, this is not slowtwitch absconding with someone else's property. i have been there for hte history of this. i wrote the articles every year reminding you of this challenge. i produced the direct mails reminding you. i (or herbert, or somebody at slowtwitch) posted the threads going over the rules, considering rules changes, and then i posted and hosted the sticky thread that tracked the conversations. it was slowtwitch who pumped the air into the tires of this challenge, and it was dev, a slowtwitch community member since forever, who watched his idea grow.

so, i might agree and i might not agree with eric w's decisions on where to host the data of this challenge. but it is absolutely under his purview to do so.

in my view, the challenge belongs to the community here, and the community has the right to join whatever challenge it wants. the community built this challenge. but i greased the joints and oiled the links, goddammit, so let's just remember history correctly. there are some folks out of the country at the moment, so where this challenge will eventually be hosted i don't know yet. i am at everyone's disposal if anybody wants me help or advice, otherwise i'm confident we'll all find out where the (slowtwitch version) of the thing will be hosted and we have plenty of time if we're starting on november 15th. as you might recall, every year i ask you all when you want to start, and i generally ask that right around the 1st of november.

I don't disagree with that.

I just wish that a conversation had happened (private or public) instead of just nuking the other thread and planting the "ST 100/100" flag over the rubble.

yes. and i don't disagree with that, either. we're in violent agreement with each other! i just would say that i don't think ryan had foreknowledge of the thread he locked. either way, i think this is a one-off. there will be a home for challenge data and archiving - i have no idea where - and that's be made known soon. if we indeed start on november 15th - which i'm not sure but i think that's a pretty typical start day - we have time for the get-ready messaging, sign-ups, and the airing of the grievances. in fact, we should probably have that thread up in the next couple of days since we obviously have grievances to air ;-/

Maybe I can join both challenges ;)

Multiple lessons:
1.) Never attribute to malice what can best be attributed to incompetence (read: I could've explained myself better), and

2.) We should've had a few details buttoned up sooner than we had them, which comes down to a combination of late Kona, team launch, and not enough hours in the day, and
3.) This is one hell of an Airing of the Grievances thread start, IMO.

Oh, and last thing -- the ST-run one will start December 1, with sign-ups on the challenge scheduled to start November 15. So a whole month of grievance airing! It's a Festivus miracle!

Maybe we can all sing Kumbaya now?

I hate that song.

Can we not, and say we didn't? else, I might have more greviences.

i'm with you. let's all sing don't fear the reaper. with a lot of cowbell.

Tom_hampton wrote:

:-) now i have my music song seed for the treadmill tonight. we will see where youtube music takes it from there.

For the record -- I only locked the "what happened to the 100/100 thread" thread in order to consolidate THAT talk here.

The other one, I believe, was Eric W (or another mod that I don't know of ).

Multiple lessons:
1.) Never attribute to malice what can best be attributed to incompetence (read: I could've explained myself better), and
2.) We should've had a few details buttoned up sooner than we had them, which comes down to a combination of late Kona, team launch, and not enough hours in the day, and
3.) This is one hell of an Airing of the Grievances thread start, IMO.

Oh, and last thing -- the ST-run one will start December 1, with sign-ups on the challenge scheduled to start November 15. So a whole month of grievance airing! It's a Festivus miracle!

i'm with you. let's all sing don't fear the reaper. with a lot of cowbell.

Throw it all in here, I'll update the title that we're in Airing of the Grievances season.

Just think: 28 more days of Grievance airing. IT'S FESTIVUS, BABY!

i have chosen to remove a post painful for me to read. neither ryan nor i host this community but we will curate it.

tom, you of course are a fully vested member not only here, but specifically in the 100/100. you put your whole heart into it ;-/

let us get back to business.

ryan, dev, do we start a new airing of the grievances thread? or are we just throwing it all into this one?

i have chosen to remove a post painful for me to read. neither ryan nor i host this community but we will curate it. tom, you of course are a fully vested member not only here, but specifically in the 100/100. you put your whole heart into it ;-/

let us get back to business.

ryan, dev, do we start a new airing of the grievances thread? or are we just throwing it all into this one?

Will participating in this challenge earn me a spot to pay more to participate in another world championship only 100/100 challenge? Will there be roll downs if the top qualifiers don't accept? Will there be an equal number of roll downs for each gender, creating concerns of a watered down 100/100 championship?

And finally, will you sell me overpriced swag?

So many questions!

Well since my post was caught up in the removed group, I will have to again extend an invitation to the bourbon/whisky contingent of ST. I have enough of it to open my own shop.

And my grievance - I can't run! Though I am starting a walk/slowly shuffle program that I will not tell the knee replacement doc about.

The only problem with one run per day is that it doesn’t allow for “make ups.”

But I might be convinced that that’s the point—reward blunt force consistency versus trying to “make it up” and rewarding that behavior.

I would like again this year to push for only 1 run per day counting towards the 100 total to complete. No gaming the system with 3 runs a day to make your 3 miles per session look better than someone's single 12 mile run. Yet I would prefer a personal effort based reward on the leaderboard (runs count if they at with in 25% of your best 5k pace)... or some other way to sort leaders this year.. perhaps elevation?

Doubles are a normal part of run training, so I would have an issue with limiting to 1x. I like the 3x limit. I think 3x is a reasonable to allow someone to catch up a bit, but I wouldn't care much if it were dropped to 2x.

I agreed with the limit, as I thought things got a little out of hand with the Bluestacks type efforts-----impressive as they were, it wasn't really the intent.

But, doubling is normal. And a reasonable amount of it, is an excellent way to improve run fitness, and resilience.

The only problem with one run per day is that it doesn’t allow for “make ups.”

But I might be convinced that that’s the point—reward blunt force consistency versus trying to “make it up” and rewarding that behavior.

yeah, what he said...doubles on occasion are good and actually a very good way to get additional mileage in-especially when ramping up volume




and doubles done on a more consistent basis would allow for some make up to attain the realistic goal of 100/100

Perhaps the leader board can be maxed at some certain % of doubles like 125 max out of 100--just a thought...

Doubles are a normal part of run training, so I would have an issue with limiting to 1x. I like the 3x limit. I think 3x is a reasonable to allow someone to catch up a bit, but I wouldn't care much if it were dropped to 2x.

I agreed with the limit, as I thought things got a little out of hand with the Bluestacks type efforts-----impressive as they were, it wasn't really the intent.

But, doubling is normal. And a reasonable amount of it, is an excellent way to improve run fitness, and resilience.

There are successful top runners who do not do doubles. A double can count to make up a run. So that is fair.

All I'm asking for is no rewarding of those who get to 100 first and/or total number of runs. The leaderboard sort used to be by volume

Not replying to you specifically…just a general comment.

I find it annoying that you can get double credit just running the minimum mileage but a person running, let’s say, 6+ miles only gets credit for a single run.

As Randmart pointed out....This is challenge, NOT A COMPETITION. Do you own thing, stop trying to compete with someone.

Having to deliver 4 coffees 3 miles in 10-15 minutes... Don't think so

I've missed your Inktober drawings, Randy, for what it's worth - I really enjoy your art!!

Thanks!!!
I'm following your hockey career on IG, as well

I have a Manon Rhéaume/ Tampa Bay rookie card around here someplace

boy o boy i see some doing their 3 a days already, how disappointed will they be that it is not the official challenge...

boy o boy i see some doing their 3 a days already, how disappointed will they be that it is not the official challenge...

How is one more "official" than the other?

If you're using one tracker, you're in - officially
If you're using another, you're in that one - officially

I'm in neither, so I'm doing my own - officially (gotta come up with a bib, still, though)

Just what I need in my life, more polarization. I could go with the group that has no control over their daily runs, recklessly running up the totals or I could join the training log deniers' group. What to do :)

Nice run (and weather!) with a local trail group here in Tennessee today. That's 4 in the books!

Just hope that your "mini-taper" doesn't become a "micro-quit"

****

I did NOT do the Philly Marathon this morning, and I never have. My daughter was prescient enough to be born the weekend before Thanksgiving, so we always celebrate her birthday the same day that the marathon is run

So it goes LOL

Good points from you and Tom. It's not likely I will run doubles to try and "make up" a run. Whenever I miss a day, I just miss that day and forge ahead from there and never look back. I guess you call that macro-quitting, to use the parlance of that magazine story ;)

And I did wind up getting a short run in today after all, so 7 for 7!

I think I should make it through to the other side of the holiday weekend here with at least 10, and maybe 11, out of 12.

I don't think I participated last year, but was wanting to jump back in for the Dec 1 start date.

How do I sign up?

https://hundredpushups.com/week1.html

I'm gonna be 0 for 1. Strong start here.

Can anyone see the column with the number of runs and days?

Sometimes I have just gone running at some random parking lot

A multi-level parking garage can make an excellent substitute for hill-work if you find yourself someplace flat (like Florida or Iowa)

I don't see a field anywhere in the logging showing how may runs I did. It does not look like there is a way to sort this so I have to manually keep track in my head how many days I missed (so far one).

Assuming it's OK to double-dip on the runs, I'm doing both versions of the challenge now!

I see a poll:

"100/100 Challenges - Are You In?"

* Doing ST's
* Doing Eric's
* Doing Both
* Going Rogue & Doing My Own (neither ST nor Eric's)
* 100/100s are fucking stupid

Wow!!!! That is an incredible story. What are the odds of needing immediate medical attention and getting it!

Somehow I missed the coronary calcium score threads. I am totally unaware. I, also , was always the “fittest” person in the room. Wow. I see Dr. Next week. Thanks for the ST heads up everyone.

Still at 100% for this Challenge; I've lost track of how long my 5K/Day Running Streak is now --- it started before we moved the clocks, I know that; I definitely ran on my birthday (Halloween)

I might've taken that Monday off, but I now recall that I ran on the TM at the gym, then picked up candy on the way home

Running every day is so automatic, it's a bigger deal that I don't than when I do

... my start date would be Saturday the 14th, making my streak 66 (5K minimum) with today's run still pending

Oh it didn't come off that way. I did an oops as I'm upgrading the site and didn't check it very carefully :-P so it was my bad for sure.

-Eric

one of my cats was fussing to go out into the back yard; to either chase some little birds flitting around the bushes or to harass a flock of geese who were taking a paddle break in our retention pond behind the fence

"You can't got out" I told her "It's cold and windy and there's snow blowing around"

She gave me a look that said 'You went out. Why can't I?!!!'

"Yeah," I replied to her nonverbal question, "But I'm an idiot, and you're smarter than that'

She looked out the the window again, with a certain smugness this time, 'You are right about that; both things'

Still working on being able to configure that view for public consumption.

*I* can see it on the admin side, though.