I currently have Vittoria Corsa Speed G+ 2.0 25mm with latex tube as race setup but I've also heard good things about Continental Grand Prix 5000 TT (TdF) 25mm tire. Is it worth switching? What I want is fast tires with more puncture resistance. I use GP5000 regular edition for training and road bike and I've never had a flat ever since I got them, so I have nothing but good experience with Continental tires. Anyway, I wanted to ask here nefore spending money. I appreciate if you guys can share experience and thought. Thanks!
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Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [s13tx]
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s13tx wrote:
I currently have Vittoria Corsa Speed G+ 2.0 25mm with latex tube as race setup but I've also heard good things about Continental Grand Prix 5000 TT (TdF) 25mm tire. Is it worth switching? What I want is fast tires with more puncture resistance. I use GP5000 regular edition for training and road bike and I've never had a flat ever since I got them, so I have nothing but good experience with Continental tires. Anyway, I wanted to ask here nefore spending money. I appreciate if you guys can share experience and thought. Thanks!I have tested both extensively from a rolling resistance perspective and they are so close, go for reasons other than CRR, ie puncture resistance, ease to put on, price......those I don't have any data on.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [marcag]
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Do you think the contis are more puncture resistance than the vittoria's?
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [s13tx]
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Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [s13tx]
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If you're worried about punctures then the GP5000 TT is the better option. I've used these for training whereas I wouldn't do so with a Corsa Speed. Crr wise they are very close so you're not giving up much - another option is a Michelin Power TT which I quite like and have used in training too, but they're not as robust as the GP5000 TT.
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Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [Ajax Bay]
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https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/road-bike-reviews/compare/continental-grand-prix-5000-2018-vs-michelin-power-time-trial-2020-vs-vittoria-corsa-graphene2 On tread thickness, much the same.
you are comparing the wrong conti and vittoria tyres
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/...toria-corsa-speed-g2
iam a fan of the michelin thicker thread and dont forget its tested with butyl inner tube vs 20 g sealant for the other 2 . its a wash between the three to be honest and aerocoach would seem to agree.
at least if you run latex tubes the michelin is the one and i would agree its a tinny bit more puncture resitent and more offten than not the cheapest of the three
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [Xavier]
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Xavier wrote:
If you're worried about punctures then the GP5000 TT is the better option. I've used these for training whereas I wouldn't do so with a Corsa Speed. Crr wise they are very close so you're not giving up much - another option is a Michelin Power TT which I quite like and have used in training too, but they're not as robust as the GP5000 TT.interesting at least we agree the the vittoria is the most fragile lol
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [Xavier]
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Xavier wrote:
If you're worried about punctures then the GP5000 TT is the better option. I've used these for training whereas I wouldn't do so with a Corsa Speed. Crr wise they are very close so you're not giving up much - another option is a Michelin Power TT which I quite like and have used in training too, but they're not as robust as the GP5000 TT.Hi Xavier - how does the Titan do with the GP5000 TT? Wrong shape compared to the corsa speed?
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Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [s13tx]
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s13tx wrote:
Vittoria Corsa Speed G+ 2.0 25mm with latex tube as race setup but . . . Continental Grand Prix 5000 TT (TdF) 25mm tire.pk wrote:
Ajax Bay wrote:
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/road-bike-reviews/compare/continental-grand-prix-5000-2018-vs-michelin-power-time-trial-2020-vs-vittoria-corsa-graphene2 On tread thickness, much the same.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/...toria-corsa-speed-g2
iam a fan of the michelin . . .
But the Vittoria I chose is the non-TR version which I assume the OP would be rolling, since they have tubes in. You have selected the TLR version of the Corsa. Whatever, the Conti's Crr is better than the Vittoria, on those tests but quite a bit worse in terms of its puncture resistance score.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [pk]
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pk wrote:
Xavier wrote:
If you're worried about punctures then the GP5000 TT is the better option. I've used these for training whereas I wouldn't do so with a Corsa Speed. Crr wise they are very close so you're not giving up much - another option is a Michelin Power TT which I quite like and have used in training too, but they're not as robust as the GP5000 TT.interesting at least we agree the the vittoria is the most fragile lol
Exactly, I feel nervous whenever I race with that tire!! And that’s why I’m thinking about switching.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [s13tx]
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I agree all these tires are pretty close. I use 25mm Corsa Speeds as my daily tires on my TT bike with latex tubes and very rarely get flats (maybe once a year). This might be a combination of decent roads and my running lower tire pressures.
One factor in my choosing Vittoria tires is that I find the Contis to be marginally harsher in ride quality. I find comfort definately translates into better race performance for me but YMMV.
One factor in my choosing Vittoria tires is that I find the Contis to be marginally harsher in ride quality. I find comfort definately translates into better race performance for me but YMMV.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [TBV Runner]
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TBV Runner wrote:
I agree all these tires are pretty close. I use 25mm Corsa Speeds as my daily tires on my TT bike with latex tubes and very rarely get flats (maybe once a year). This might be a combination of decent roads and my running lower tire pressures. One factor in my choosing Vittoria tires is that I find the Contis to be marginally harsher in ride quality. I find comfort definately translates into better race performance for me but YMMV.
I have a bunch of regular GT5000 tires, so I will train with them and race with Vittoria. You are right. They are definitely comfortable and smooth.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [s13tx]
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At the end of the day you will get many different opinions which one is the least likely to puncture
And I guess at the end of the day the least biased is the rolling resistance test but then this is not always real world .
If you are nervous then maybe non of the three is right ...
And I guess at the end of the day the least biased is the rolling resistance test but then this is not always real world .
If you are nervous then maybe non of the three is right ...
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [pk]
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Does any of the Continental aero magic still exist, or has the spell worn off?
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [ericlambi]
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ericlambi wrote:
Xavier wrote:
If you're worried about punctures then the GP5000 TT is the better option. I've used these for training whereas I wouldn't do so with a Corsa Speed. Crr wise they are very close so you're not giving up much - another option is a Michelin Power TT which I quite like and have used in training too, but they're not as robust as the GP5000 TT.Hi Xavier - how does the Titan do with the GP5000 TT? Wrong shape compared to the corsa speed?
No, it actually works very well with a 5000 TT. The shape is slightly different to the older clincher 5000s.
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Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [s13tx]
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Anyone switching to Conti's, I highly recommend treating yourself to one of these:
https://koolstop.com/...tire-bead-jack-ks-tj
https://koolstop.com/...tire-bead-jack-ks-tj
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [s13tx]
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Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [SBRcanuck]
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SBRcanuck wrote:
Anyone switching to Conti's, I highly recommend treating yourself to one of these: https://koolstop.com/...tire-bead-jack-ks-tj
It depends on your wheels. I can put the tires on with hands with no problem. Zipp wheels and tires are GT5000.
I have one Chinese made cheap carbon wheel and oh my goodness. It's a lot of hassle to put the same tire on.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [philly1x]
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Interesting, my personal take is the opposite. I tried (tubed) GP5000s and found the grip worse than the vittorias I'm used to. But when I went to put some vittoria rubinos tubeless onto my new Roval wheels then they were the second tightest and hardest to install tyres I've ever had. The worst being a dedicated wheel on trainer tyre some 20 years ago and I swear my thumbs haven't recovered yet from that.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [s13tx]
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s13tx wrote:
SBRcanuck wrote:
Anyone switching to Conti's, I highly recommend treating yourself to one of these: https://koolstop.com/...tire-bead-jack-ks-tj
It depends on your wheels. I can put the tires on with hands with no problem. Zipp wheels and tires are GT5000.
I have one Chinese made cheap carbon wheel and oh my goodness. It's a lot of hassle to put the same tire on.
True, my clincher/tubeless tire experience is limited to a few wheelsets.
Zipps + Vittoria Corsa tubed clinchers = SUPER easy
HED Jets + Conti 5000 tubed clinchers = horrible
Bontrager RSL + Conti 5000 Tubeless = horrible
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [s13tx]
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Curious if you looked into the new Pirelli P Zero Race TLR version. I've heard it's a good option as well. Not sure about any puncture resistance on it.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [SBRcanuck]
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FWIW, having spent a week in Kona last year putting mostly Conti tires on a collection of wheels from the same manufacturer, it became really obvious that even with the same model/size tire there's pretty significant variation in how "tight" the Contis are. We basically saw two groupings of the tires, a "tight" set and a "loose" set. The tight set was, well, tight. The loose set was more challenging to bead up. My guess at the time was that there were probably two molds running and they vary slightly, just as was the case with the older GP models.
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Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [fredly]
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Over the past 5+ years I've always been lucky enough to get the mold producing the tight versions! lol
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [SBRcanuck]
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FWIW, there definitely seemed to be a trend towards European athletes having the looser fitting tires. Small sample size, though!
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Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [fredly]
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I install the same tire on the different wheels and definitely wheels can vary too. Most tires go on easily on Zipp wheels. I have hard time mounting them on non-Zipp wheels most of the time and it’s really frustrating. I don’t think it has to be that tight.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [philly1x]
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philly1x wrote:
I've always found Vittorias, in general, to be more fragile than Contis. Contis are more supple, more durable, with better grip, and sublime road feel.
IME: Go Conti.
Conti more supple and better grip? This goes against seemingly every other review and BRR...
Among the fast tires, Conti is the least supple.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [BigBoyND]
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BigBoyND wrote:
Among the fast tires, Conti is the least supple.Bicycling, Velo, BR, CN, CW, etc. all scored the Conti high/highest/best and note the already excellent grip is improved.
Also noted is the tire's road feel (so, suppleness).
https://www.cyclingnews.com/...est-road-bike-tyres/
https://www.cyclingnews.com/...ss-road-tyre-review/
https://www.bicycling.com/...est-road-bike-tires/
https://velo.outsideonline.com/...-on-a-rough-surface/
https://www.bikeradar.com/...best-road-bike-tyres
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Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [BigBoyND]
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BigBoyND wrote:
philly1x wrote:
I've always found Vittorias, in general, to be more fragile than Contis. Contis are more supple, more durable, with better grip, and sublime road feel.
IME: Go Conti.
Conti more supple and better grip? This goes against seemingly every other review and BRR...
Among the fast tires, Conti is the least supple.
That was my thought, in terms of my N=1 experience. There may be other ways to measure "suppleness" than feel, but for me, Contis don't feel as supple as Vittoria, which I assume has to do with Vittoria using a cotton casing. I much preferred the roadfeel of the Vittorias and, FWIW, I ride Veloflex now.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [s13tx]
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s13tx wrote:
I currently have Vittoria Corsa Speed G+ 2.0 25mm with latex tube as race setupIt’s TLR tyre, isn’t it? I was thinking about the same tyre, but wasn’t sure if using it with tube makes too much sens.
Has anyone tried a new Pirelli P Zero Race TT?
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [LukaszP]
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I haven't seen anything on it, but in general I have no idea why anyone runs pirelli tires on the road. They're just not that fast, from my recollection at least.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [philly1x]
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philly1x wrote:
BigBoyND wrote:
Among the fast tires, Conti is the least supple.Bicycling, Velo, BR, CN, CW, etc. all scored the Conti high/highest/best and note the already excellent grip is improved.
Also noted is the tire's road feel (so, suppleness).
https://www.cyclingnews.com/...est-road-bike-tyres/
https://www.cyclingnews.com/...ss-road-tyre-review/
https://www.bicycling.com/...est-road-bike-tires/
https://velo.outsideonline.com/...-on-a-rough-surface/
https://www.bikeradar.com/...best-road-bike-tyres
None of those reviews say it's more supple than the equivalent Vittoria, Tufo, Veloflex, Turbo Cotton, Power Cup. They either just say it's more supple than the TL or that is "supple" with no reference to what they're comparing it to. Yes it's supple compared to most stock tires. In it's category, it's one of the least supple tires.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [BigBoyND]
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In it's category, it's one of the least supple tires.It's such a vague, subjective thing, particularly since it's very hard to normalize with things like pressure, size, etc.
But n=1 as much as I can trust my subjective perception I swear that Vittoria 320TPI cotton is noticeably smooooooth. And though I'm a big Conti fan, the GP5000s are a bit more "buzzy/jittery" in feel compared to the high-grade cotton.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [imswimmer328]
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imswimmer328 wrote:
I haven't seen anything on it, but in general I have no idea why anyone runs pirelli tires on the road. They're just not that fast, from my recollection at least.Pirelli just came out with a new tire that is supposed to be much faster... plus I can't imagine pogacar would ride on something that's not a decent tire. I know the team is doing it based on sponsorship dollars, but I'm sure he would want a quality tire
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [littlefoot]
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Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [imswimmer328]
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I tried the pirelli when they first came out 5 years ago? Possibly a bit more. And they were completely lethal when new as the release compound was still on the tyre way more than any other, which made for a nighmare first ride. And then second ride it was a bit better, but hit a big stone/rock on a fast descent in the shoulder of a busy state highway with 100kph traffic beside me that caused a front tyre blowout and dented the (thankfully alloy) rim (also second ride). And that was as far as I got with them, swapped back to my usual mix of specialised roubaix pro for training and vittoria cosas for racing.
I did recently try a gp5000 (tubed) as I couldn't get anything else and it's been ok, but 100% not as nice to ride as the vittoria, nor the specialised for me, and it's taken a while for me to get used the different shape as that does change the feel both i a straight line and when cornering.
I did recently try a gp5000 (tubed) as I couldn't get anything else and it's been ok, but 100% not as nice to ride as the vittoria, nor the specialised for me, and it's taken a while for me to get used the different shape as that does change the feel both i a straight line and when cornering.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [trail]
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trail wrote:
BigBoyND wrote:
In it's category, it's one of the least supple tires.It's such a vague, subjective thing, particularly since it's very hard to normalize with things like pressure, size, etc.
It's quite easy to normalize for size and pressure, and the difference in feel is substantial. A 28mm Power Cup is nearly the same size as 30mm GP5k. I measure all my tires in multiplier spots with calipers and then blow them up to the pressure recommended by silca's calculator, using the same pump/gauge.
The first time I rode the Power Cup TLR after switching from GP5k/latex, I kept pulling over because I thought I had a flat. The Power Cup at 70 psi felt like GP5k at 20-30 psi, without exaggeration.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [littlefoot]
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littlefoot wrote:
imswimmer328 wrote:
I haven't seen anything on it, but in general I have no idea why anyone runs pirelli tires on the road. They're just not that fast, from my recollection at least.Pirelli just came out with a new tire that is supposed to be much faster... plus I can't imagine pogacar would ride on something that's not a decent tire. I know the team is doing it based on sponsorship dollars, but I'm sure he would want a quality tire
Sharpie marker does wonders for the pros.
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [BigBoyND]
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BigBoyND wrote:
trail wrote:
BigBoyND wrote:
In it's category, it's one of the least supple tires.It's such a vague, subjective thing, particularly since it's very hard to normalize with things like pressure, size, etc.
It's quite easy to normalize for size and pressure, and the difference in feel is substantial. A 28mm Power Cup is nearly the same size as 30mm GP5k. I measure all my tires in multiplier spots with calipers and then blow them up to the pressure recommended by silca's calculator, using the same pump/gauge.
The first time I rode the Power Cup TLR after switching from GP5k/latex, I kept pulling over because I thought I had a flat. The Power Cup at 70 psi felt like GP5k at 20-30 psi, without exaggeration.
Yeah, I didn't mean the normalization part is hard if one were to actually try to be "scientific" about it. I just meant that as we go wider and wider, people might conflate the effects of tire construction with air volume - air volume probably dominates "feel."
Re: Vittoria vs. Continental [s13tx]
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It depends on your wheels. I can put the tires on with hands with no problem. Zipp wheels and tires are GT5000.
I have one Chinese made cheap carbon wheel and oh my goodness. It's a lot of hassle to put the same tire on.
For the wheel/tire combo you spend the most amount of time training on - this is key!
If you are still on clinchers and you do get the odd flat while out training (or possibly racing), you want to be able to change that tube as quickly as you can and get going again. If you know what you are doing and the wheel/tire combo is easy to get off/on, it's a 1 - 2 min max switch at the side if the road!
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I have one Chinese made cheap carbon wheel and oh my goodness. It's a lot of hassle to put the same tire on.
For the wheel/tire combo you spend the most amount of time training on - this is key!
If you are still on clinchers and you do get the odd flat while out training (or possibly racing), you want to be able to change that tube as quickly as you can and get going again. If you know what you are doing and the wheel/tire combo is easy to get off/on, it's a 1 - 2 min max switch at the side if the road!
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burnthesheep wrote:
littlefoot wrote:
imswimmer328 wrote:
I haven't seen anything on it, but in general I have no idea why anyone runs pirelli tires on the road. They're just not that fast, from my recollection at least.Pirelli just came out with a new tire that is supposed to be much faster... plus I can't imagine pogacar would ride on something that's not a decent tire. I know the team is doing it based on sponsorship dollars, but I'm sure he would want a quality tire
Sharpie marker does wonders for the pros.
Good point. I guess I just expected it to be legit since I just watched a video of him and someone else riding in Manaco on the pirelli tires.