Tylertri wrote:
j p o wrote:
In case Nutella forgets, thank you for making his point.
when the rest of them line up behind this you will still defend this as feral cat won't you? Because Bernie is just another "fringe" member of the left isn't he?
you know, kinda like you all laughed when "the green new deal" was proposed, then backed it when it came out as "the inflation reduction act"
I notice you skipped over the Israel hating "fringe" portion of the show. you know, where Talib is just a fringe Congress woman out hating Jews.
But, you probably did notice it, you're just this disingenuous to not admit the left has gone full socialist. Nutella loves that he just wants it to go further European style. You're just too full of TDS to not see the effect it's having.
now, hush sweetheart.
It is fine for Schumer as a citizen to think Israel needs to call for elections and replace their government. I think it is not his place as Senator Schumer to say that. I am sure Netanyahu will give it all the consideration it deserves and ignore it.
How many have agreed with Bernie pushing for a 4 day work week? I like Bernie a lot. But not this. I could do my current job with a 4 or 5 hour day better than 4 days a week.
What Democrats of note have joined up with Tlaib? I'm not of note, but I don't agree with her. I also don't agree with the current Israeli actions in Gaza. But that doesn't mean I hate Israel.
You continue to make the point when you bring up positions people don't join and proposals that don't go anywhere.
Now let's get to the Green New Deal Part. First we have to define it since there are more than a few things called that in many countries.
I'll start here. Pulled from the authority of all authorities Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_New_Deal#: - "Guaranteeing a job with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations, and retirement security to all people of the United States."
- "Providing all people of the United States with – (i) high-quality health care; (ii) affordable, safe, and adequate housing; (iii) economic security; and (iv) access to clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and nature."
- "Providing resources, training, and high-quality education, including higher education, to all people of the United States."
- "Meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources."
- "Repairing and upgrading the infrastructure in the United States, including . . . by eliminating pollution and greenhouse gas emissions as much as technologically feasible.""Building or upgrading to energy-efficient, distributed, and 'smart' power grids, and working to ensure affordable access to electricity."
- "Upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximal energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability, including through electrification."
- "Overhauling transportation systems in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector as much as is technologically feasible, including through investment in – (i) zero-emission vehicle infrastructure and manufacturing; (ii) clean, affordable, and accessible public transportation; and (iii) high-speed rail."
- "Spurring massive growth in clean manufacturing in the United States and removing pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing and industry as much as is technologically feasible."
- "Working collaboratively with farmers and ranchers in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the agricultural sector as much as is technologically feasible."
Which of these do you disagree with as goals? I've got to tell you, I don't laugh at any of these.
I would flesh out the first into a workfare kind of scenario where if you can't find a job on your own we will give you one, but you may not like it. You are free to not take that job but then you don't get paid. Guaranteeing a job is different from a universal basic income. The first I like, the second I don't.
The rest? I have no problem with them being aspirational goals but the devil is in the details to implement.
I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
