Depends on the car and the year it came out.

If it defaults to on, you get the CAFE credits, if its a full on / off defeat switch you get like 50% less credit (I forget the number) Then when Trump changed the CAFE requirements, many OEM's no longer needed the full credit so many went to the full defeat switch.

I can honestly say in my wife's blazer I never even notice.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

It ends up being the residual + depreciation + tax for the buyout cost. You skip the additional rent/interest charges that are built into the monthly payments you'd otherwise be going through during the lease. It can be done through Toyota (not the individual dealer) in most states as soon as the account is stood up. Florida's a bit weird because we're forced to go back to a dealer to process the transaction, which ends up incurring another set of document fees. Other states might vary as well but the default is that it can be done within a few days of opening the lease.

This writeup covers most of the aspects of the transaction: https://www.reddit.com/...rospective_colorado/

There's not really any benefit to letting the dealer know you're doing this. Negotiation-wise, you're trying to get the purchase price (ultimately depreciation cost) down, even if the money factor's not great, since the rent charges past the first payment end up being irrelevant. On the dealer's side, I think they lose whatever kickback if it's bought out before the third(?) payment.

If you were considering a PHEV, why not the X5 50e?

The wife and I are currently looking at the X5 or the Volvo XC60 Recharge (we do not want 3rd row, or a vehicle >200in length).

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We went straight for an EV (VW id4) last year and with our set up, we wouldn't go back to gas. The best feature for us is the charging at home and the auto parking software. It parallel parks! It's so convenient.

If we couldn't charge at home, we wouldn't get one, however. Public charging sucks.

I have an F15 X5 currently, not big enough for family weekend travel. Soccer shit takes up too much space. The G05 X5 third row is horrible. We use the third row on the X7 weekly.

I looked into this a while back, and what I found is that the battery bears the brunt of excess wear on the out start/stop.

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the wife is on her 3rd jeep wrangler unlimited. she loves that platform. i think she gets a new one every 6 or so years. (she drives quite a lot.)

for this third one, bought a year and a quarter ago, she bought the 4xe hybrid. it's really a nice car. she rides bikes a lot, and drives to group rides. (sorry, wrong forum.) puts the bike in the back. easy peasy. this is the 4 door remember. this new one has a 4 banger for the engine but it's actually faster, more torque, etc., than the 6 cyl she had in her first 2 jeeps and then of course the electric motor has all kinds of power.

our thinking was this: we put a solar system on the house a year ago. it's reasonably beefy, around 11kw. we're replacing all our gas (propane) appliances, water heaters, etc., with electric. i put in a L2 charger for the car. we replace our electric bill, propane bill, and some of the vehicle gas bills with electricity we farm. so far so good. we got a boatload of tax credits last year (her car, the solar system, panel upgrade) to help with the ouch.

when we got the plug in hybrid these were not that popular. the opinion is turning on them. we couldn't be happier with this vehicle with this one exception: all-electric range is about 25mi. i wish it was more like 40mi. otoh, there are no compromises. it's 4wd (which we need where we live), lots of space for stuff. no limit on the driving range. but in truth the only plugging in we ever do is at home.

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I like the 4xe Wrangler, but then I build a Rubicon trim and it's $72,000.

the trim i like is the rubicon with the 6.4l hemi. but i'm a dude. (and it's not my car.) my wife always gets the sahara trim. enough, but not to excess. she bought this when it was still a little hard to get cars. we buy a lot from this dealership, so we got a good deal. invoice i think. (we didn't press for any of the holdback.) i don't remember what it was out the door but in the $60s for sure.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Update: I’m not buying an EV9. I’m holding out as long as it takes (and saving in the interim), for a Lucid Gravity. Got to see one in person this weekend and it is jaw dropping.

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"Are you sure we're going fast enough?" - Emil Zatopek

I think my wife is going with the Lincoln nautilus

The EV9 looks like a great car. If you do get it, please let us know how everything goes and what it's like to own the EV9

Hyundai/Kia is supposed to be coming out with an EV pickup in 2025. If it's like the EV9, I just might be getting one.

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Guy across the street is CFO of municipality. Worked hard to upgrade his credentials for years to get the job. Last year he put solar panels on his roof. Okay maybe reducing his footprint a bit. Last week he buys a big boat for wakeboarding tooling around the lake etc. Upgrades his vehicle to a pickup truck to tow it.

Basically wiped out any reduction in carbon footprint several times over. If anybody has an electric car on our street likely is a Tesla which is more virtue signaling that reducing carbon footprint. Half the vehicles in our area are pickups it seems and it shows no signs of changing much.

I don't see any practical way Canada meets its carbon targets. In the city condos are refusing to put in charging stations because their governing boards don't want to pay for them. So people are not buying electric or regretting buying them and having to charge elsewhere.

We are paying big subsidies to companies to build car batteries here though.

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Dreaming of systems so perfect that no one will need to be good T.S. Eliot

I was very close to pulling the trigger on a Ford F-150 Lightning until I had an issue with the hybrid engine and battery on my F-150 hybrid. I’m on week four without my truck. The dealership can’t figure out what’s wrong. Apparently an engineer from Ford is there this week to help.

I asked the two service advisors I’m dealing with about the Lightning. Both shook their heads no and said it’s a great vehicle if everything is working perfectly and a nightmare when it’s not. Both said look at the problems we’re having with your hybrid and now imagine that’s your whole powertrain.

My wife has a Lincoln bought from a different dealership. We brought her car in for an oil change. I asked the service advisor there about the Lightning. Dude had the exact same reaction as the other dealership. Shook his head no and said to wait a few years because any problems are currently a nightmare to deal with.

Both dealerships said they can’t give Lightnings away right now. Sitting on the lots for months and months.

Most manufacturers were moving to Tesla’s NACS standard but with Tesla just firing the entire charger division I don’t know what the domino effect will be.

I’m seriously considering getting rid of my F-150 hybrid (whenever I get it back) and moving back to a typical gas powered truck.

I was told this repair would by over $10K if it weren’t still under warranty.

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How can they tell you the repair would be over $10k if they don’t know what’s wrong with it?

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Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.

They replaced the battery to the electric motor already and were anticipating replacing the electric motor. Replacing the lithium battery also on the hit list. I think that would run the bill even higher.

I think they’re to the point they’re going to replace everything as opposed to troubleshooting 50 different things.

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Dealerships.. that's how.. If its warranty, they don't understand often start pulling parts to just see, once they have either tried everything and failed, or the Warrenty or regional manager sees a large bill, corporate gets called and engineer sends down trouble shooters, to figure out what's wrong (what your mechanic would normally do)

The other thing I will add, Many dealerships do not like EV's they see the gravy train of maintenance going away. Plus its all new stuff, so their old workers have no clue. The shortcuts developed over decades, don't work, so your now actually working the hours your billing the corperation even for warranty work. (Its not unusual for Dealer mechanics to make custom tools to fix a part that comes in often. I have seen them get done in about 30 min what is a billable half day or more job, cause they made a tool to reach around things to remove a bolt, that might otherwise require an engine or transmission to be dropped.

I am not following the EV market, Ford Lightning very closely, but I had not heard of any real issues with them, or high failures, so I would question the dealers motive. No surprise a dealer who is steering customers away from EV's has a lot sitting in his lot, its kind of how it works. Now there maybe huge inventories building up, I don't know, but I would be a bit skeptical.

Did find this.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Dave, the Cadillac EV has hit the streets and it looks great. I saw a car carrier full delivering them last week and just this morning, I saw two of them within 10 minutes in my neighborhood on Long Island.

I aslo saw a dealer advertising a nice lease price this past weekend. Let's hope they have gotten past the bugginess the the Blazer had on launch.

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''Sweeney - you can both crush your AG *and* cruise in dead last!! 😂 '' Murphy's Law

Wife and I test drove the Lyriq about 3-4 weeks ago. It’s nice. The dealer probably had 50 of them on the lot. I get the sense they’re not selling either.

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Favorite Gear: Dimond | Cadex | Desoto Sport | Hoka One One