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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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You guys act like normal aero helmets and tights are completely normal, but this helmet is crossing the line, lol.

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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [timr] [ In reply to ]
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timr wrote:
You guys act like normal aero helmets and tights are completely normal, but this helmet is crossing the line, lol.


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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [Hanginon] [ In reply to ]
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Hanginon wrote:

Love it!
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [littlefoot] [ In reply to ]
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [timbasile] [ In reply to ]
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This is just the UCI being dumb about how they regulate their own sport. They published helmet guidelines last year, and the new Giro helmet ostensibly meets those guidelines. Now the UCI is going back and saying they need to take a closer look, because there's an online kerfuffle about a new helmet - perhaps they should have done that last year? I get that people can be creative and bend the rules, but surely give this time?

Put in a body that reviews helmet guidelines every x number of years (2? 3?). This should include safety as well as size/fairing specifications. In the meantime, let anything that meets the criteria proceed, and fine helmets which don't meet the guidelines. Review again in x years to see if your initial rules were creating the desired effect, and make subsequent rules take a certain time before the come into being, so if you change your guidelines, everyone knows 6 months or a year in advance. The only exception should be safety - if they find something unsafe, then you can convene a special task force to mandate safety features that come about.

Idk if the UCI has the leeway to regulate the sport with ever changing rulesets. There's world tour teams with big budgets, but there's also lower tier basically amateur events taking place under UCI rules as well. Having the helmet rules change every 2/3 years forces teams and riders to buy new helmets to meet the new regs. Imagine crashing and needing a new helmet on the last year before the reg change.
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [timr] [ In reply to ]
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timr wrote:
You guys act like normal aero helmets and tights are completely normal, but this helmet is crossing the line, lol.

At the end of the day, the last two meaningful tests against the clock were won by UAE. Juan Ayuso beat Ganna by a single second at Tirreno and McNulty, Vine et. al won the TTT at Paris Nice. In both cases, they were wearing "conventional" Met Drone Widebody helmets so can't help but wonder if all these POC Tempor inspired designs are actually faster in real world conditions.
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [Engner66] [ In reply to ]
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Engner66 wrote:
timr wrote:
You guys act like normal aero helmets and tights are completely normal, but this helmet is crossing the line, lol.


At the end of the day, the last two meaningful tests against the clock were won by UAE. Juan Ayuso beat Ganna by a single second at Tirreno and McNulty, Vine et. al won the TTT at Paris Nice. In both cases, they were wearing "conventional" Met Drone Widebody helmets so can't help but wonder if all these POC Tempor inspired designs are actually faster in real world conditions.

Maybe Marcag can chime in, and maybe he can't, but Lionel using the POC and knowing he's gone into the tunnel and did velodrome testing with it, it will be interesting to see if he is actually using it come the first race of the year. I am sure part of the answer is ability to hold the position, so the majority of age groupers would probably test slower with a bigger helmet, but Lionel as been at least fooling around with the Tempur...and it might be the one that has been fastest for him.

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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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dfru wrote:
Engner66 wrote:
timr wrote:
You guys act like normal aero helmets and tights are completely normal, but this helmet is crossing the line, lol.


At the end of the day, the last two meaningful tests against the clock were won by UAE. Juan Ayuso beat Ganna by a single second at Tirreno and McNulty, Vine et. al won the TTT at Paris Nice. In both cases, they were wearing "conventional" Met Drone Widebody helmets so can't help but wonder if all these POC Tempor inspired designs are actually faster in real world conditions.


Maybe Marcag can chime in, and maybe he can't, but Lionel using the POC and knowing he's gone into the tunnel and did velodrome testing with it, it will be interesting to see if he is actually using it come the first race of the year. I am sure part of the answer is ability to hold the position, so the majority of age groupers would probably test slower with a bigger helmet, but Lionel as been at least fooling around with the Tempur...and it might be the one that has been fastest for him.


Lionel tested a limited number of helmets on the road, but the Tempor tested fastest.
In the tunnel it was the fastest over an weighted average of yaw angles.
If he finds something faster between now and next race, I am sure he will wear it, but for now, it's the fastest he tested.

I also recently tested Sara Perez Sala and it did quite well for her. I am curious what she will wear at T100 Miami
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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Why do we never hear of the kask mistral in testing ? Several pros using that …. Or how , for instance sam long who doesn’t use Rudy project anymore, suddenly switched to the met drone? Seems these 2 helmets are on a lot of pro heads but we don’t hear a lot about them (except for uae in the ttt recently)

Anyway off topic sorry. As wild as the giro is, it’s taken a lot of focus away from that new Rudy project helmet right now- which is also outside the box.
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [IamSpartacus] [ In reply to ]
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IamSpartacus wrote:
Why do we never hear of the kask mistral in testing ?


He tested the Mistral. It did well but not the best (for him)
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for sharing. Does the "Tempor is the fastest as long as you can keep your head as low and as still as possible" showed in your test result with Lionel?
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [IamSpartacus] [ In reply to ]
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Why do we never hear of the kask mistral in testing ? .......... Or how..........................the met drone? Seems these 2 helmets are on a lot of pro heads but we don’t hear a lot about them


I've talked about the mistral a few times on here, or maybe it was another TT specific group, possibly both. Have had some decent luck with it with a few athletes. If the Aerohead is a home run, which it is for most people, the Mistral is a double. It's going to work for some but a much smaller % than the aerohead.

Same with the Met Drone. I think I tested that on 10 to 12 people so far this year and one or two last year. It was the fastest for a couple, maybe 3. The Mistral I've probably tested on 20-25 people and it was the fastest for maybe 20-25%.

IMO from testing a lot of different helmets on a lot of different people the Kask and Met aren't the helmet the aerohead is.

What I think is crazy is we're what, 8 years, on from the aerohead being released and there has not been a helmet in that time frame that tends to come even as close as the aerohead for as many people/body shapes/positions across as many yaw angles/wind conditions.

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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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marcag wrote:
dfru wrote:
Engner66 wrote:
timr wrote:
You guys act like normal aero helmets and tights are completely normal, but this helmet is crossing the line, lol.


At the end of the day, the last two meaningful tests against the clock were won by UAE. Juan Ayuso beat Ganna by a single second at Tirreno and McNulty, Vine et. al won the TTT at Paris Nice. In both cases, they were wearing "conventional" Met Drone Widebody helmets so can't help but wonder if all these POC Tempor inspired designs are actually faster in real world conditions.


Maybe Marcag can chime in, and maybe he can't, but Lionel using the POC and knowing he's gone into the tunnel and did velodrome testing with it, it will be interesting to see if he is actually using it come the first race of the year. I am sure part of the answer is ability to hold the position, so the majority of age groupers would probably test slower with a bigger helmet, but Lionel as been at least fooling around with the Tempur...and it might be the one that has been fastest for him.


Lionel tested a limited number of helmets on the road, but the Tempor tested fastest.
In the tunnel it was the fastest over an weighted average of yaw angles.
If he finds something faster between now and next race, I am sure he will wear it, but for now, it's the fastest he tested.

I also recently tested Sara Perez Sala and it did quite well for her. I am curious what she will wear at T100 Miami

You are a wealth of information Marc - thanks for the transparency! Hopefully he gets that badboy painted up and it might look a little nicer hahaha.

I don't know that Giro works with triathletes right now - the aerohead is probably the most popular aero helmet - but it would be amazing to see it this weekend on someone's head haha.

DFRU - Detta Family Racing Unit...the kids like it and we all get out and after it...gotta keep the fam involved!
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [dfru] [ In reply to ]
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This looks like the optimal position...



Would the visor have a heads down display?
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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desert dude wrote:
What I think is crazy is we're what, 8 years, on from the aerohead being released and there has not been a helmet in that time frame that tends to come even as close as the aerohead for as many people/body shapes/positions across as many yaw angles/wind conditions.

It seems like a helmet that is optimized for a higher head (like the older specialized tt or more recent smith jetstream) position typical of most non-TT specialists. In these cases it would do its best to reduce the losses incurred by the head itself, while larger and more body-integrated helmets create a larger wake if a body isn’t immediately behind it, which few people can accommodate. For riders with slender enough shoulders, large fairing type helmets aren’t likely to be as helpful as one might guess, either.
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [desert dude] [ In reply to ]
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Go check out Giro Sport Design IG/FB

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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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marcag wrote:
dfru wrote:
Engner66 wrote:
timr wrote:
You guys act like normal aero helmets and tights are completely normal, but this helmet is crossing the line, lol.


At the end of the day, the last two meaningful tests against the clock were won by UAE. Juan Ayuso beat Ganna by a single second at Tirreno and McNulty, Vine et. al won the TTT at Paris Nice. In both cases, they were wearing "conventional" Met Drone Widebody helmets so can't help but wonder if all these POC Tempor inspired designs are actually faster in real world conditions.


Maybe Marcag can chime in, and maybe he can't, but Lionel using the POC and knowing he's gone into the tunnel and did velodrome testing with it, it will be interesting to see if he is actually using it come the first race of the year. I am sure part of the answer is ability to hold the position, so the majority of age groupers would probably test slower with a bigger helmet, but Lionel as been at least fooling around with the Tempur...and it might be the one that has been fastest for him.


Lionel tested a limited number of helmets on the road, but the Tempor tested fastest.
In the tunnel it was the fastest over an weighted average of yaw angles.
If he finds something faster between now and next race, I am sure he will wear it, but for now, it's the fastest he tested.

I also recently tested Sara Perez Sala and it did quite well for her. I am curious what she will wear at T100 Miami

Here is a question I haven’t seen asked yet, but it takes a little explaining. When I went back and looked at the TTT the one thing I noticed when watching Visma was that across the entire team their heads seem to bob around more than other teams. It occurs to me that extending the edges of the helmet farther away from the head exacerbates any movements of the head. Going back to trig class (sin theta = opposite/ hypotenuse) the front of the helmet that is 6 inches long will rise and fall twice as much as a helmet that extends 3 inches in front of the face.

So my questions are
1. Do you ever work with athletes to reduce head movement and if so do you see measurable differences?
2. What are the chances that there are CFD tools or wind tunnel protocols that can assess what I assume is a problem of flow separation from head movement?
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [grumpier.mike] [ In reply to ]
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grumpier.mike wrote:

Here is a question I haven’t seen asked yet, but it takes a little explaining. When I went back and looked at the TTT the one thing I noticed when watching Visma was that across the entire team their heads seem to bob around more than other teams. It occurs to me that extending the edges of the helmet farther away from the head exacerbates any movements of the head. Going back to trig class (sin theta = opposite/ hypotenuse) the front of the helmet that is 6 inches long will rise and fall twice as much as a helmet that extends 3 inches in front of the face.

So my questions are
1. Do you ever work with athletes to reduce head movement and if so do you see measurable differences?
2. What are the chances that there are CFD tools or wind tunnel protocols that can assess what I assume is a problem of flow separation from head movement?


I have tested myself over and over and the bobbing made no difference. I had a bob-period of 5, 15, 30 secs and hold still. no difference. Granted, I don't go 55kph but I obviously have way too much time on my hands
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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When can I buy one of these?
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [aravilare] [ In reply to ]
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Looks a bit like the front of a raptor drone






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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [aravilare] [ In reply to ]
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aravilare wrote:
When can I buy one of these?


I'm still trolling various marketplaces waiting for some destitute former EF guy to put this helmet up for sale. And, yes, I'd 100% buy the new Lisa Bike Giro helmet.





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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [Lacticturkey] [ In reply to ]
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Lacticturkey wrote:

Looks a bit like the front of a raptor drone

General question for the thread, but given the nose cone at the front of the now minted Giro D!ckhead (TM) helmet and it closing gap between hands and head, is a bottle needed inside jersey on chest, or is that viewed as being redundant if one had a nose cose shape to close the gap at the front?
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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I have a Tempor, but I'd love a duck Tempor from EF.

Also, bonus points for working Eastbound and Down in here.
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
aravilare wrote:
When can I buy one of these?


I'm still trolling various marketplaces waiting for some destitute former EF guy to put this helmet up for sale. And, yes, I'd 100% buy the new Lisa Bike Giro helmet.
Me:

The duck was from the skate clothes brand Palace. Idk anything about them but it should be theoretically possible to find a sticker similar enough for any helmet.

Also, stealing "Lisa Bike". That's gold.
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Re: New Giro Aerohead ? [mathematics] [ In reply to ]
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I believe Carl Spackler gets the credit for that one, judging by the time-stamp?

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