Disc or rim brakes?

My initial lean would be toward the HED options because they have wide and deep aluminum rims. There are a few wider options on the market now, but they are a lot more expensive than the HEDs.

If I were you, I'd copy the Javier Gomez's setup with HED wheels.

There are a *lot* of wider options on the market now than the HED aluminum rims. They're still using the Ardennes+ rim introduced in 2013 with 21mm/25mm internal/external. That was super wide then, and 21mm internal is still considered pretty wide, but I'd argue that for the stated preference for 28mm tires, the OP would want external width of at least 28mm. Wider with the old Poertner 105 formula.

For the Ardennes Plus rim in TT mode the argument is between 23mm and 25mm tires, not 25mm vs. 28mm.

HED is still a fine option, just saying it's best with narrow tires by today's standards.

I was mainly recommending HED because or the "hooked" and "budget" criteria. But yeah, I otherwise agree.

Disc!

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Good to know about the outer width

Are these a good option?

https://www.lightbicycle.com/...less-compatible.html
Solves my wheelset problem but not the rear disc problem.

They also have a wider 65mm wheel here
https://www.lightbicycle.com/...ross-and-gravel.html

Parcours has a great disc wheel it looks like, if only I could secure a cheap front wheel.

The EZ disc wheel cover costs another $300 so hits my budget target pretty well. Adds 500 grams, and realistically would never remove the cover. I've used a disc cover my entire tri life, but I've always wanted a real disc. And something about the HED disc has me worried about cracking the fairing especially around the valve stem as I've done on my old cover.

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Here are some options-that I posted on your previous post...

https://www.premierbike.com/products/80-cm-deep-carbon-clincher-front-wheel


HED: The vanquish line has external width of 30 mm: https://hedcycling.com/...c-performance-series
This is their vanquish line. They had a pretty good sale a month ago.
Also, I wouldn't buy from anyone on ebay without 100% rating, or darn close to it. Especially if they don't accept returns.


There is also the "falcon" line that has been posted on here recently. Their front wheel is under $300. Just a heads up.


My worry about a trispoke is the harshness of the ride. Not much flex there.

I've got a set of LB WR50 wheels on the way. 25mm internal, 32 external to match better with 28mm tires. Pretty excited for those.

I've also got a set of LB AR55 rim brake wheels. 21mm internal, 28mm external with their grooved graphene brake track. I'm really impressed with their stopping power, although they don't quite mate up with 28mm tires as well as I'd like.

Caviat that I use these wheels for road racing, especially crits, where I find the wider tires allow me to corner much more confidently. That being said, if I was buying a new TT setup, I'd also go with something that let me run 28mm tires

problem with premier and that falcon front wheel is the width.... but how much does it matter?

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How are Roval Rapide CL II ?

1039 on the pros closet right now

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I've got the clx II on the road bike and they are amazing wheels. In honesty I can't really justify the cost difference of the CLX over the CLS but I was feeling like treating myself. So for $1k they are a steal. Note that the front is wider than the back, and whilst Specialised claim they are optimised for a 26mm then I'd not run anything less than a 28mm on the front to provide some protection to the rim.

My intent is to have the CLXs as windy day backup to the Bontranger 75s. The handling of the CL(x) in sidewind is freaky stable, way way way better than the Zipp 30s despite being deeper.

So i guess now, the short list is

LB AR565 (newest model) @ $980 21in 28out w/ 30max
LB WR65 @ $740 25in 32out Still not sure about that internal
Rapide CL II @1050 21in 35 outer

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Why wouldn't you buy from an eBay seller with less than 100% rating?

Why would you be concerned about "no returns"?

Not answering your question but heres the wheel I was considering.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204601514782?hash=item2fa3335b1e:g:JsUAAOSwavFllI1X

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Why didn't they wipe the dirt off of it?

to add another potential complication.... This is a shimano c50 wheel. 21int 28 outer on the orbea fork.
would the roval with 32mm outer even fit?

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Spoiler Alert: This will either be a goring of someone's sacred cow or an opening of a can of worms, you decide.

Just perusing bicyclerollingresistance.com to compare a couple of tires, the Conti 5000 S TR in both 25mm and 28mm.

At reasonable race pressures for both tires, what BRR refers to as 'high' pressure, there's about a half a watt difference between the tires, and at 'extra high' pressure (which no one would dream of riding unless they wanted to lose their fillings) they're equal.

So, yeah, unless you're running wheels that are wide enough to hit the all important 105% figure for the 28 (which will measure out to 30 or so when mounted on a rim with even a moderately wide internal width), you're better off with the 25mm tire on something like the HED Jet+ wheels, as the aero gains will certainly outweigh the negligible RR gains of the wider tire.

Speaking of Parcours ... I just received their disc wheel ... haven't ridden it yet but I'm impressed with the quality. And it is really wide.

Roval is 35mm wide on the front. Which means it may not on that fork. (which is a new worry you've just given me....)

Thanks for the headsup. I'll give that a look. I know HED has low presures spec'd. 70psi max if memory serves

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their max pressures depend on rider weight and tire width. FWIW, if you're running tubeless, their max pressures are plenty high enough for anything but the smoothest of smooth velodromes.

My exact thought also. Why take the time to post an expensive disc wheel that is dirty.

Also, why I suggested not buying from someone who doesn't have 100% rating was for his situation, which is buying a big ticket item from an unknown source. Plus, if he gets it and it doesn't work for him, he's out of luck...and money.

I err on the side of caution when looking at reviews and pics of things, as well as percent rating. Under 98, an automatic no go for me.

Don't buy the roval CL wheels. They use round spokes, not bladed spokes, which kinda defeats the whole purpose of those wheels

Unpopular opinion but AliExpress is a goldmine for bike parts, wheels included. Order now to get before the season.

25mm v 28mm depends entirely on the speed that you're traveling. At 25mph+ it's going to favor the 25mm, but that's also hugely dependent on the wheel and frame interaction as well as the road surface. at <20mph it will probably favor the 28mm, but above caveats still apply.

Tri spokes are cool, but they can't be trued and once interaction with the fork blades is considered are basically the same as deep dish. They're also generally more expensive.

Tubeless compatible is nice but IMO narrows your options unnecessarily. Latex tubes and tubeless regularly test exactly the same RR.

A disc cover is less cool and very slightly slower than a disc, but on a good rim it's within the range of fastest disc to slowest disc. Wheel/tire interaction again is key.

I guess the take home message is that differences between modern wheels can be entirely cancelled out or augmented by tire and frame interaction. I'd buy the cheapest ones you can find that have a modern lenticular profile and not fret too much about the rest. Getting your skinsuit tailored is going to be 10x the gain at 1/10th the cost.