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North American IM Athletes Choice Awards
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https://www.ironman.com/...ukcw3yRG94T9bEGOblXP



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Surprised (suspicious?) to see TX and MD show so as well as they did in certain categories. Tulsa number 1 run also a particular surprise? AZ, CDA, FL, MOO, COZ nowhere to be found in any category.
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Re: North American IM Athletes Choice Awards [PBT_2009] [ In reply to ]
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I agree.

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Re: North American IM Athletes Choice Awards [PBT_2009] [ In reply to ]
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Yea, I saw that list too...the "best" swim was Chattanooga???? Really???? Fastest and easiest equals better...got it...
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Re: North American IM Athletes Choice Awards [trimike77] [ In reply to ]
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trimike77 wrote:
Yea, I saw that list too...the "best" swim was Chattanooga???? Really???? Fastest and easiest equals better...got it...

And let's not forget it is polluted. https://theearthproject.com/...ed-rivers-in-the-us/
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PBT_2009 wrote:
https://www.ironman.com/news_article/show/1260225?mkt_tok=MTI0LVFWRy03MzgAAAGKGQ7z9ILVQW3zEyQhMjfC4xrEmhMtSxLXstsmPmheX7HE8l6M1jIjeamQ3MoB2LINRdIypUY4xjNk1cUB2FFlgsmQ80fkukcw3yRG94T9bEGOblXP



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Surprised (suspicious?) to see TX and MD show so as well as they did in certain categories. Tulsa number 1 run also a particular surprise? AZ, CDA, FL, MOO, COZ nowhere to be found in any category.

Been thinking of doing an Ironman in 2024 - Lake Placid, St George, or Mont Tremblant. Seems like it's now a toss up between Placid or Tremblant. Any suggestions?
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Re: North American IM Athletes Choice Awards [Lurker4] [ In reply to ]
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There's many many other threads dedicated to this specific topic if you search, helped me greatly when I was deciding (ultimately I went with MT).
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Re: North American IM Athletes Choice Awards [PBT_2009] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not sure how IMTX rates so high given the monstrosity that is the current bike course. I had something to do with the IMTX race the first nine years whether racing, working, or volunteering.

Yes, the run course vibe and finish is pretty awesome! That I will agree with.

The swim course kind of sucks and the bike course is absolutely dreadful.

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Re: North American IM Athletes Choice Awards [imsparticus] [ In reply to ]
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imsparticus wrote:
trimike77 wrote:
Yea, I saw that list too...the "best" swim was Chattanooga???? Really???? Fastest and easiest equals better...got it...


And let's not forget it is polluted. https://theearthproject.com/...ed-rivers-in-the-us/


Yes, but sort of meh - most, if not all, surface waterbodies in developed areas are "polluted" in some degree of the term. Even Lac Tremblant is "polluted" by gasoline and oil from motorboats, fertilizer, etc. but even those in otherwise "pristine" areas can be polluted (i.e., some small lakes in the high adirondacks near Lake Placid have been impaired for decades due to acid rain deposition from pollution in the midwest). The fact that your link lists the Mississippi River and starts with the fact that its brown, is not a great indicator of this list's credibility...sedimentation and turbid water is often a natural phenomenon, it is not a direct indicator of pollution. The fact that the Hudson River isn't on that list should be a good reminder that stuff like that is very subjective. I sort of couldn't restrain myself there because I work in the environmental field...lol. So yes, that's a legit claim, but I don't think its fair to say CHOO is "polluted" and all/most other swims aren't. A coastal ocean swim in an otherwise "clean" area, a day or two (or three+) after a heavy rainstorm - depending on the area's sewer infrastructure - can easily be many times "worse" in terms of pollution and human health than a swim in the TN river.

This all being said - I agree with you that CHOO getting #1 swim is really weak. The fact that it's current-assisted seems to overrule every other factor that makes a swim "good", and I don't agree with that. I haven't done all these races, but I'd say LP, MT, and Canada all are head-and-shoulders above CHOO in terms of overall swim quality.
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Re: North American IM Athletes Choice Awards [Lurker4] [ In reply to ]
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Lurker4 wrote:
PBT_2009 wrote:
https://www.ironman.com/news_article/show/1260225?mkt_tok=MTI0LVFWRy03MzgAAAGKGQ7z9ILVQW3zEyQhMjfC4xrEmhMtSxLXstsmPmheX7HE8l6M1jIjeamQ3MoB2LINRdIypUY4xjNk1cUB2FFlgsmQ80fkukcw3yRG94T9bEGOblXP



Discuss.

Surprised (suspicious?) to see TX and MD show so as well as they did in certain categories. Tulsa number 1 run also a particular surprise? AZ, CDA, FL, MOO, COZ nowhere to be found in any category.


Been thinking of doing an Ironman in 2024 - Lake Placid, St George, or Mont Tremblant. Seems like it's now a toss up between Placid or Tremblant. Any suggestions?


I have done all 3-my recommendation in order is St G, Tremblant, and then LP...IMHO LP is highly overrated...Tremblant stay at the ski village, plenty to do there if traveling with family, save a bunch of cash over LP, and the locals actually want you there vs LP...
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Re: North American IM Athletes Choice Awards [imsparticus] [ In reply to ]
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Definitely weird results…

Lake Placid is the most beautiful race swim I have ever done. Chattanooga is not real competition against the drop dead beauty of Lake Placid…

In the 70.3 results, Waco and the polluted Brazos River won 3rd best swim in North America? This is hogwash… no way this is true, right?!

https://www.ironman.com/...s-choice-ironman-703


Waco River pollution

https://insideclimatenews.org/...ve-and-contaminated/


Would actually be great if there were some real recognition of the best courses/races by specific parameters (such as most beautiful, fastest, flattest, most reliable weather conditions, most challenging etc.). Does such thing exist?
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Re: North American IM Athletes Choice Awards [tedtri] [ In reply to ]
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tedtri wrote:
Definitely weird results…

Lake Placid is the most beautiful race swim I have ever done. Chattanooga is not real competition against the drop dead beauty of Lake Placid…

In the 70.3 results, Waco and the polluted Brazos River won 3rd best swim in North America? This is hogwash… no way this is true, right?!

https://www.ironman.com/...s-choice-ironman-703


Waco River pollution

https://insideclimatenews.org/...ve-and-contaminated/


Would actually be great if there were some real recognition of the best courses/races by specific parameters (such as most beautiful, fastest, flattest, most reliable weather conditions, most challenging etc.). Does such thing exist?

Not only that, Placid has a guide line underwater for the entire course! You don't even need to sight for it.
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Re: North American IM Athletes Choice Awards [Lurker4] [ In reply to ]
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Lurker4 wrote:
PBT_2009 wrote:
https://www.ironman.com/news_article/show/1260225?mkt_tok=MTI0LVFWRy03MzgAAAGKGQ7z9ILVQW3zEyQhMjfC4xrEmhMtSxLXstsmPmheX7HE8l6M1jIjeamQ3MoB2LINRdIypUY4xjNk1cUB2FFlgsmQ80fkukcw3yRG94T9bEGOblXP



Discuss.

Surprised (suspicious?) to see TX and MD show so as well as they did in certain categories. Tulsa number 1 run also a particular surprise? AZ, CDA, FL, MOO, COZ nowhere to be found in any category.

Been thinking of doing an Ironman in 2024 - Lake Placid, St George, or Mont Tremblant. Seems like it's now a toss up between Placid or Tremblant. Any suggestions?

There’s no toss up. The full in Tremblant has been discontinued so there’s only LP next year.
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Re: North American IM Athletes Choice Awards [trimike77] [ In reply to ]
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trimike77 wrote:
Yea, I saw that list too...the "best" swim was Chattanooga???? Really???? Fastest and easiest equals better...got it...



Swimming sucks so......yes.


However, it's a point-to-point course, it's wide open, you can navigate easily, very little contact with other swimmers, and no sharp turns.
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Re: North American IM Athletes Choice Awards [Rideon77] [ In reply to ]
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There's always bi or duathlons for ya!
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Re: North American IM Athletes Choice Awards [trimike77] [ In reply to ]
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And you skipped my real reasons why the CHOO swim is well received.

The speed is hit or miss. This year it was fast. In 2019 there will little water, so the TVA didn't do a big release and all the times were slower. It's not about fast that makes it a good swim. It's about not be a technical swim.
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Re: North American IM Athletes Choice Awards [Rideon77] [ In reply to ]
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You edited it after I commented ace
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Re: North American IM Athletes Choice Awards [trimike77] [ In reply to ]
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trimike77 wrote:
You edited it after I commented ace

And..........
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Re: North American IM Athletes Choice Awards [Rideon77] [ In reply to ]
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and so I didn't miss anything in your post as it originally was written.
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