Except the current Ironman World Champion is French. And the French have multiple realistic medal opportunities in both male and female categories in triathlon.

So it would almost be like Norway not having their ski jump tower built in time if the Olympics were there.

Point being the French Olympic committee is going to care much more about a sport they have a strong chance of winning than one they don't.

So enter tinfoil hat mode: do the French benefit a little more if it's a duathlon or shortened swim?

The French would benefit most out of there being a swim, especially the men!

Report on Triathlete.com about this....

https://www.triathlete.com/...Ab6XvuOIM2HS0jyxzQBw

Good article that seems to explain where things stand - it seems the swim will be a go if the readings are even within range of the acceptable levels……it states they can allow the swim even if over stated tolerance levels which is interesting.

It’s a cool venue and I get the desire to make it work. Not sure I’d want to be swimming 10k in it like the marathon swim !

Being able to move the race to a few days after the rain event is your answer.

Poor para athletes yeah they’ll likely be told it’s Duathlon after all the crowds and pomp and circumstance are gone.

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Then there should be no chance of the swim not happening. If it was a sport with no medal chances, yes I could see them not caring. But they could have 4+ medals in triathlon alone.

Forget the water quality, they have a shark problem.

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An article about British Triathlon’s infection prevention plan.

It’s all very well disinfecting the athletes straight after the race - but they will be drinking on the bike and run before that!

https://www.theguardian.com/...athlon-swim-in-seine

https://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-guardian-australia/20240417/282553023282245
With respect, this is not a 'prevention' plan, it's a risk mitigation plan. Can't stop ingestion of water when swimming.
They describe how they will try to minimise infection (from all sources not just swimming water) and this applies to training sessions too. These protocols will be rehearsed, adopted for the month before, and actually, albeit a pain, would be good practice in the run up to every WTCS event (and worth considering for long course athletes too).
But it will be practical: the aim is to reduce to ALARP so in a competitive environment, of course drinking and eating is just a risk that will have to be accepted. But have disinfectant wipes readily available during training.
Get the kefir in!

My understanding is no one's been allowed to swim in that river for decades as its that filthy, it just blows the mind that a back up course wasn't thought about!

Paris triathlon was held from 2007 to 2012 with the swimming happening in the Seine, first in Bois de Boulogne then just in front of the Tour Eiffel for the last 3 years. It was a fantastic event, I specifically remember 2010 when the transition area was on the Pont d'Iena, which was closed for traffic for the weekend. Great memories.
I think in 2012 they had us sign a discharge on the water quality, but thousands of people swam (and drank some) in the Seine without any major issues. Or died silently :-)
For the first years, they specifically highlighted how the water quality had greatly improved, mentioning lots of fish species back in the river.

Paris Police authorities (who at the time were fed up with securing yet another sporting event in Paris, and looked for a way to end it) finally involved the regional health authority in 2013, who of course said swimming in the Seine was not safe, and that killed the event for several years.

My point is that the average water quality is not worse now than it was 10 years ago, it is in fact better (OK, perhaps not by a lot), given the constant improvement over the years. The big issue is definitely the constant rains / flooding we had in the past months (feels like living in Britain - pink), which explains the recent bad results. Unless July 2024 come as a BIG outlier in rain/storms (and even that should be balanced with the new retention bassin), the swim will be safe.

I don´t think it is a good idea to risk so much with the water quality. Before that you must provide safety to the athletes...sure, Paris is beautiful, but I would move the race to the coast. There a MTR few days later and the athletes must be healthy (and as they are peaking, their inmune system is sort of weak, right?). They have plenty of racing in the olympics in Paris downtown: marathon, walk, cycling...

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They could just put together four brick walls with a cemented floor, 100m long and 20 m wide and put buoys at the corners 90m apart length wise, and 10 m apart width wise. Stick it by the Eiffel tower and fill it for a day with 3 feet deep of water and start them and one end, make them swim 7 loops and exit them at the other end. Just fill it with garden hoses for the events, and then after the event take a bulldozer to it. Probably way cheaper than cleaning up the Seine (all in Pink). Make it an in water start because you can't dive into 3 feet deep water.

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This has to be one of the dumbest decisions and debates in recent Olympics history. France has an amazing, world class venue for a triathlon. Nice! They already have venues spread all over the country, nee the world, including Nice. Why they insist on forcing the swim in a polluted river is a face palm. Just move the event to Nice, and do the world a favor.

There're political reasons, why the event is called Paris Summer Olympic Games and not French Summer Olympic Games. Paris has no interest in moving races to Nice. What I can't understand is why we're not hearing about any plan B to choose any nearby lake and do T1 there, while still doing 2nd part of the bike, T2 and run where currently planned.

In 2028 you'll have LA Summer Olympic Games, and probably while organising a race in Santa Barbara will still be fine, nobody would go to Las Vegas.

haha....vacation to Nice to watch grand finale of the Tour de France one weekend and Olympic Tri next weekend !!! Max riding in the mountains and swimming in the ocean in between fighting the tourist crowds!!!

Yeah, but... They already have a major venue in Nice for Football. The Paris Olympics are spread across France & the world (surfing is in Tahiti), despite its name. Or they could use the venue infrastructure in Marseille (football & sailing infrastructure). Or Lille Metropole (basketball & handball venues & infrastructure). Or Bordeaux (more football venue & infrastructure0. They have so many better possibilities out there. Or any lake near Paris. This is nutters.

Thank heavens the London Olympics organizers had the brains not to force folks to swim in the Thames. That is epic nasty.

You pointed out to the other locations I wasn't aware of, thanks.

"we'll see" ;)

There is a nice batheable lake in Cergy, NW of Paris. 15 miles from the Eiffel Tower. Moving the event there seems like a no-brainer to me

Hilly area or flat? Imagine how much of a hilly technical bike course (Leeds esq) would throw everyone's prep and change the dynamics, would be delicious!

Mostly flat area, but they could put a few road bridges in the lap, to spice things up a little

Ha, with a better venue so close to Paris, their decision making has escalated from ordinary face palm to an André René Roussimoff face palm.

I share the sentiment, but there are probably a million legal and regulatory intricacies and obstacles involved in planning another "optional" course.

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Agreed, but there should be a Plan B.

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