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Re: The Official, All encompassing Sam Long thread.. [Lurker4] [ In reply to ]
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Lurker4 wrote:
I'd just like to thank Sam on behalf of most triathletes without a strong swimming background for being that shining beacon on a hill, encouraging us that it's OK to skip another swim practice and go for a run instead 😉

You made his instagram haha.
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Re: The Official, All encompassing Sam Long thread.. [scenicRoute] [ In reply to ]
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scenicRoute wrote:
slow_bob wrote:
Yes, Sam is second in the series now.


The interesting thing is with everyone required to be in the grand final, will there be any wildcards? Could Youri be leading going into the final and then not get a shot to race?

Odds are someone will be injured “cough Gomez or Ali cough”. If not, no way he’s not getting a start.

Let food be thy medicine...
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Re: The Official, All encompassing Sam Long thread.. [scenicRoute] [ In reply to ]
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No, the PTO have explicitly said that the final could have more than 20 athletes if wild cards earn "enough" points to deserve a start... now, they haven't stated what "enough" is but I would imagine if an athlete is high in the rankings, they will get an invite.

I might need to run the math on this but you'd think they would invite any athlete that has accrued more points than contracted athletes.
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Re: The Official, All encompassing Sam Long thread.. [AgMatt] [ In reply to ]
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Serious question to anyone

So if he didn’t have such a large swim deficit (magically he could go back and start swimming competitively as a young person) to most of the top finishers would be actually finish 3 mins faster or is that simply wishful thinking/triathlon math?
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Re: The Official, All encompassing Sam Long thread.. [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Sam Long humbled me yet again!
When I saw how far back he was in the swim I thought he would really struggle to chase down a podium spot, I should have learnt my lesson from previous races which have gone like this.
The way he ran through the field in that heat and humidity was something else. It is so hard to describe how difficult those conditions are unless you have been to Singapore. It is not far by plane from where I live and I have never once done an outdoor training session there because of the heat and humidity. Props off to everyone who raced there today and amazing effort by Sam.
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Re: The Official, All encompassing Sam Long thread.. [Amnesia] [ In reply to ]
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Ya as it turns out his size is not a detriment to his ability to shed heat. And like I have always said, most of being good in the heat is due to your genes, you can only affect it so much by training or living in it. Watch the interview with the dude that got 3rd and I think 2nd last year. Spent the past months in unseasonably cold weather, trained one day in the sauna just before coming to the race, is white as a ghost, and crushes these hot races.

I just have seen that dynamic too many times over the years where guys who should not be good in the heat(by going off of conventional wisdom) turn out to be great in it. Sam is just one of those guys, so I imagine he will eventually be very good at Kona as long as he figures out the distance part first...But that is easy, the heat part is the real killer for a lot of folks, and some never crack that code...

I mean in his last 3 races he just looks like he could keep running. He finishes and just seems so full of energy still, running around congratulating everyone, smiling and high fiving the crown, and all over the bodies of his competitors strewn all over the tarmac....
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Re: The Official, All encompassing Sam Long thread.. [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
Ya as it turns out his size is not a detriment to his ability to shed heat. And like I have always said, most of being good in the heat is due to your genes, you can only affect it so much by training or living in it. Watch the interview with the dude that got 3rd and I think 2nd last year. Spent the past months in unseasonably cold weather, trained one day in the sauna just before coming to the race, is white as a ghost, and crushes these hot races.

I just have seen that dynamic too many times over the years where guys who should not be good in the heat(by going off of conventional wisdom) turn out to be great in it. Sam is just one of those guys, so I imagine he will eventually be very good at Kona as long as he figures out the distance part first...But that is easy, the heat part is the real killer for a lot of folks, and some never crack that code...

I mean in his last 3 races he just looks like he could keep running. He finishes and just seems so full of energy still, running around congratulating everyone, smiling and high fiving the crown, and all over the bodies of his competitors strewn all over the tarmac....

Yep Monty,
You just had to take one look at how Sam was at the finish line compared to everyone else to know that he seems to have cracked the code for being able to race well in the heat. He looked so fresh and if the event was a 70.3 and not a T100, with the extra 3kms in the run I imagine he would have run himself into first as Youri must have been incredibly close to collapsing seeing as how things unfolded when he finished.
Sam was also 6.5 mins faster this year than last year when KB won and his time this year would have seen him just sneak into second again. He ran through the field last year as well but nothing like this years race.
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Re: The Official, All encompassing Sam Long thread.. [monty] [ In reply to ]
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The rough math on this is a bigger guy will just generate more heat. I rider going at 250W will generate around 1000W of heat, the guy going at 300W will generate 1200W of heat, so its a question of the rider putting out more watts being able to dissipate a 2x100W lightbulbs of extra heat from the body. From what I see Sam has long arms and long legs, so he may proportionally have a good volume to surface area ratio (it is what makes Kenyans deal with the insane heat that builds up when you run at 2:02 marathon pace).

It may just be Sam's volume to surface area. It is probably not as good as Jan Frodeno, but it is probably pretty good. Generally shorter athletes have superior volume to surface areas. It's just how human proportions shake out. But tall and lanky helps and if you have a short torso relative to wingspan and inseam it helps more (not sure of Sam's torso proportions).
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Re: The Official, All encompassing Sam Long thread.. [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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devashish_paul wrote:
The rough math on this is a bigger guy will just generate more heat. I rider going at 250W will generate around 1000W of heat, the guy going at 300W will generate 1200W of heat, so its a question of the rider putting out more watts being able to dissipate a 2x100W lightbulbs of extra heat from the body. From what I see Sam has long arms and long legs, so he may proportionally have a good volume to surface area ratio (it is what makes Kenyans deal with the insane heat that builds up when you run at 2:02 marathon pace).

It may just be Sam's volume to surface area. It is probably not as good as Jan Frodeno, but it is probably pretty good. Generally shorter athletes have superior volume to surface areas. It's just how human proportions shake out. But tall and lanky helps and if you have a short torso relative to wingspan and inseam it helps more (not sure of Sam's torso proportions).

valid point on surface area for cooling surface vs total body mass.

BUT it's more so of how efficiency he is moving as well as his bike efficiency is tops and his run is better then ever.


If he is pedaling at 350 watts but hitting the pedal with 360 watts of muscle work he will beat the others at 350 watts with 400 watts of muscle work. ( the 400 would of course be more energy and heat)

A power meter is measuring outcome of torque not energy in.

People swim and run and bike the same speed but different levels of stress and muscle fatigue and sweat rates.

He is doing everything very well with pace and I think he learned swimming harder ( 45 sec extra sec swim speed) takes his bike away and his run. Where we are seeing huge surges in the swim and bike starts and that is destroying guys race outcomes.

Technique will always last longer then energy production. Improve biomechanics, improve performance.
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Re: The Official, All encompassing Sam Long thread.. [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Does anybody know what components Sam uses on his cockpit?

Specifically I was looking at this:
https://www.triathlete.com/gallery/st-george-pro-bike-sam-longs-trek-speed-concept/

Does anybody know the brand of the:
Riser Bridge
Aerobar Brackets
BTA bracket?

I've tried to search the common brands and haven't seen anything like what he has on offer. Does this mean its custom made?

Asking around this as I'm wanting to upgrade my cockpit some to try to get narrower and more aero.

If this don't belong here, then lemme know where I should ask this....


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Re: The Official, All encompassing Sam Long thread.. [DavinFelth] [ In reply to ]
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Dont know about his components, but I bet marcag here might know, they travel in similar circles in Tucson. And he of course knows bike part stuff like nobody else..

But forgot about that, how about this new video of his proclamation of intent to do Kona!!! I said this months ago, I knew his coach had it in the back of his mind that this could be a possibility. And with the 4 great races he came out the gate with, 2 PTO and 2 70.3's, it is understandable to start thinking double dipping. Once his coach saw the results of those races, not a big stretch to see that the overall prize money of over $400k for the series winners was going to be a draw. I know for a fact that his coach is getting upwards of 25% of the take(greedy bastard with mouths to feed), so it all makes sense..

So now on to SF for hopefully another podium, which would put him in the drivers seat for a great PTO result, as others are still chasing big scores. And with the Ironman in Oz and a good result there, it will all be within reach. He can back off the PTO schedule a bit with a 3rd big result, and find one more ironman to do before Kona. He is already in Taupo, so would have Oceanside 2nd place as a back up score if need be, and both WC's in his scores. Which none of his comp will likely have, so advantage Yo Yo...

Its a lot of money out there within his grasp, the over 400k possible in series, the individual pay outs for each race, the 100k start money, and all the bonuses from all his sponsors, which could be double dipped if he crushes both series.. He really is the only guy that can do this, the series leaders thus far have been lackluster, and none from the PTO series are a threat. If he can manage to just do well in the fulls, he will crush the comp with his 70.3 scores, at least at the moment it is looking that way.

Dude could win it all, never thought I would be saying this about any athlete not named Knibb. And he still swims like a 12 year old girl too!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtiKyfFA-fI
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Re: The Official, All encompassing Sam Long thread.. [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
Dont know about his components, but I bet marcag here might know, they travel in similar circles in Tucson. And he of course knows bike part stuff like nobody else..


Thanks for that but actually I didn't have a clue

So I watched the video, saw this and found this https://www.evolveaero.com/

I do know them. Joe Skipper is also on them. They helped Joe design that infamous "hydration" system.




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Re: The Official, All encompassing Sam Long thread.. [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
I knew his coach had it in the back of his mind

So Lionel is coaching Sam and Sam is coaching Lionel ?

Brilliant !
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Re: The Official, All encompassing Sam Long thread.. [marcag] [ In reply to ]
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Think we’ll get a post up in the near future about dialing in Sam’s fit this year (and the progression since 2020) and one of those decisions was Harry’s Evolve bars, after some phone calls with Skipper about them. A big reason was for the 5cm of additional pad reach we were seeking.

Had experience with Rudy getting on the amazing Uniquo Custom bars after a ride we did with Vincent Luis after he used their bars in Daytona. But this past winter, we wanted to get Sam on something with a tad more adjustment so could have different positions for 70.3 and for IM races, an aero faring on the underside, and lighter. In addition to Sam and Joe, Trevor Folely just raced Chattanooga on a set of the Evolve bars, as we’ve been helping dial his fit since late last year. Jason Pohl is also getting a set, soon.

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Re: The Official, All encompassing Sam Long thread.. [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:


But forgot about that, how about this new video of his proclamation of intent to do Kona!!! I said this months ago, I knew his coach had it in the back of his mind that this could be a possibility.

Sam is self coached.

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Re: The Official, All encompassing Sam Long thread.. [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Sam in Kona heres my crazy thoughts.

At first I'm thinking, why not go head to head against Lionel at Lake Placid and get a little friendly-revenge for Oceanside?

But maybe Sam doesn't want to bump Lionel who is targeting his entire season on Kona from getting a slot.

So here's where it gets juicy. Sam goes to Australia in search of a slot and will head to Kona and send it on the bike, being a domestique for the athelte he's coaching; since that's all the rage these days. If Sam has run legs left, he goes for glory, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Long bridge up to said athlete in Kona who will then sit on his coach's wheel, at a race ranger assisted distance until T2.
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