The thing in the back bothers me, but it looks to be removable. I think I'd be OK if it was level with the top tube such as on Trek's SC or QR's PR6, et.

The aerobar looks interesting, one picture shows it angled down while the other shows it level. I assume there's also the ability to tilt it up.

Take a closer look at the picture from the front. The fork looks really interesting.
I kind of like it. My question would be if the "sail" is only for hydrtion or does it also fit other stuff...

I like it.
Go ahead, flame suit is on already.

OMG look at it:



So monostem seems to be the next big thing in tri bikes...

pretty sure the rear container is for 2L of fluids

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Very first thing was “I like it, if you remove the sail” because it reminds me HUGELY of my old, flip/flop green purple GT vengeance, from ‘98, like Mark Allen’s bike from 96.
Not sure about the aesthetic of the twin-foil fork, but I’m sure Wilier will be pleased to say, “we did that 5 years ago”!

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Go for one of the 500 limited editions. Sounds cheap :D

I'm sorry, but the hydration rear sail is hideous. I wonder will different sizes of the hydration box be available, I'm guessing frame sizes/saddle height needs will mandate it.

It's a shame, as the front end looks great, with foldable basebar and removable cockpit. Storage in downtube looks good too, hopefully will be accessible enough in practice.

Whatever it is, not into it.

I guess what we are looking at is the limited edition. The standard colour for this will be "satin white"
i guess 13k for the standard and 15k for the SE

Plotted Reach,stack of Shivs, included P3 MKII as that is indicative of where the majority of manufacturers are at



So the new bike has moved to the market norm, rather than following the high stack philosophy of Gen 1.

Jeez that thing is ugly! I'm a card-carrying Specialized fan but everything about that bike is hideous, from the tri-foil front end and beefy shoulders on the basebar to the uber-low chainstays out the back! The shonky looking in-frame storage on the downtube and tail bolted on to the back don't do much to help it aesthetically either.

But I guess that's not the point at all, it's all about how many seconds they'll claim you can save over the old Shiv and I'm sure we'll see some stats from the tunnel in due course.

So, is this a tri-specific model, or would this be UCI-legal too, given the recent changes that they made to the regulations? Assuming that hideous tail on the rear could be removed of course...

Can't be UCI legal with that fork - the Headtube/nose is too deep
seatstays too low on seattube as well - so it won't be legal with a different fork either

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I thought as much.

This bike will not help in trying to improve the image-problem and credibility of triathletes amongst cyclists!

Reminds me of something...

How many triathletes do you know that care about their image among cyclists?

You mean the millions of MAMILs who can't ride without stopping for a coffee, and average 27kph in a group ride? Or Pros?

What the other guy said about who cares :-)

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well that's certainly an improvement from a fit perspective for the smaller sizes but for the larger sizes I'd worry about running out of reach.

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Not impressed by the first impression. It looks like they “improved” upon the Wiler Twin Blade and $13-$15k price tag...🤪. It better be fast because it’s not winning any beauty contests. That luggage in the back also looks like a late addition or after thought.

how do you take it apart for travelling ?

Gross!

im not sure i would want 2 entire liters of fluid on the bike with me starting out. thats a lot of weight, and im curious how that weight would feel so high up on the bike and at the rear.

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does it have disc brakes? i'm told that i need disc brakes. i don't know why, but i do. i'll pay whatever they're asking.

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The fork has grown on me. The base bar shoulder... not so much. I want to see the rear hydration in the largest frame size before I pass overall judgement. For race day it appears to be a practical solution.

...the price, sheesh

I was just about to ask where BryanD was, but I see you're filling in admirably...

The added weight on the rear would be less noticeable than weight on the front end. It is a good design, its just not very attractive.

thats what i keep thinking. i know how my bike feels with 30oz of fluid between the bars versus zero. im a big fan of the feeling of zero.

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Yeah but it's the same every time with Specialized; the S Works Tarmac SL6 Ultralight and the new Venge Disc, both had price tags well north of $10k.

It's marketing 101, release a headline-grabbing top-of-the-line product at an eye-watering price and garner as much attention as possible. Then 6-9 months later, release a the regular range of models for the masses, sporting 105/Ultegra components, maybe a model with some cheap wheels and generally at less than half the price. Everyone falls over themselves to buy it, thinking they're basically getting a 15k bike for 8k, and don't question the lower price-tag too much!

So years ago when Wilier were destroyed for their interesting fork effort they were wrong...but now spesh are right?!

Hateful machine

I'm sure it fits quite easily in the luggage compartment of the private jet you probably have if you are dropping $15k on this.

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Probably not a lot different than most bikes with two bottle behind the saddle and one between the arms

… and maybe we'll finally hear who's riding this at Kona (five/six pros?)
"It tested better in the Win Tunnel" :D

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Well, that went 404 fast.

As with the the SC and the 9.0 carbon, the Sworks will not be worth it for 98% of folks. And the price break is significant.

I wonder how hard it is to get liquid all the way from back there thru the straw. The old one was not super easy.

The bike's success will come down to wind tunnel data and price point.

Perfect bike for those who are extra good at sucking.

hahahahahahahahahahah

My guess that the fork design is an attempt to improve the crown aerodynamics now that they are not limited by having a brake there. I'd love to know how well that works.

The rear sail will take some getting used to but if it's faster...

Looking forward to a good independent test.

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We have not seen a comment yet from him? Must still be asleep in NC.

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It hurts the eyes.

Overunder on absolutely terrible disc brake takes is 5. I am hammering the Over.

Yes. However, I don't really see (and I'm no aerodyanmics expert) how having two more vertical bars (i.e. more frontal area) that the air has to wrap around will make it better. Specifically when other manufactueres are trying to reduce the number of solids that the air has to wrap around. Specialized didn't want to jump on that bandwagon and said, "we'll add more!"

You might be right. It can be hard to improve overall aerodynamics by improving viscous effects in a way that increases frontal area- but it is not unheard of.

And actually frontal area may not be that much bigger here.

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That whole front end looks bigger and bigger every time I look at it!

Reminds me of the Avanti track pursuit bike team New Zealand has been riding. Just check out that headset bearing compared to a standard 1 1/8”

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Exactly........and its ugly to boot.

CAT cheetah was also doing stuff like this, years ago. eventually if you're making your bikes out of carbon and can build any shape you like, the limiting factor becomes standard hardware like BBs, headsets, and the like. so you simply make your own in bespoke dimensions that allow you to build the bike you want. annoying for repairs and stuff? sure. but it's a $15 000 bike. do you really care about that?

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I like it! It's definitely different.

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But then, it might not be as effective as a "bluff body splitter", since it would be further from the "big blob" ;-)

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I have two questions about its hydration functionality.

1) How do you refill it on course? From the picture posted here, it looks like the rear of the saddle extends pretty far back over the box, so, at best, you'd have to get a pretty steep attack angle on the bottle to reach wherever the opening is, even if the opening is all the way to the rear. It looks like it could be awkward. Maybe the answer is you don't refill on course, or you use a BTA if supplementing with on-course hydration. But I can easily burn through far more than 2L for a >100 mile bike on a hot day.

2) How do you clean the reservoir and the Roman Aquaduct-length tube? Are they flushable without getting sticky residue over the rest of your components? Even with good practice on flushing, eventually that tube is going to need to be sanitized properly (if I'm using it). Is it easy to remove and re-thread without an hour of profanity? Simply using straight water for hydration is not an option for me, as I prefer my calories liquid.

If bike purchase came down just to comparision of high-volume onboard hydration, the Ventum is winning for me hands down right now, though 1.4L vs. (allegedly) 2.0L. Unless there are really good answers for these two questions.

most triathletes are really strong suckers, so i don't imagine it will be a problem

the bike is easy to pack, easy to fit, and fast (it's a specialized, it'll be fast). hyperbikes are going to be polarizing, but in person this one is pretty sick.

Could you just never fill it with liquid and just use it as storage

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you'd use the giant empty down tube as storage. (SWAT)

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Wow, that's impressive and that looks like a beautiful bike.

You can get away with that in a velodrome but I wouldn't want to hit a pothole out on the road with a steerer tube that size!

I’m sure there’s a 100% legitimate reason. I’m just not into how it looks. Maybe Lucy will win now.

Maybe you need a pack a sandwich or raincoat?

If bike has storage in downtube then I would take that thing off and call it a day.

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It's still way below the body proper as-is.

you'd probably be giving away significant aero advantage at any sort of yaw past 2-3 degrees, and that would be silly.

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It was almost 10 years ago I had a similar idea for a fork but my head tube idea was way different. Specialized if you want the next iteration hit me up, lots of FA to be gotten rid of.

Haha

Specialized is likely going to have some bold aero claims for this bike... and they will be plausible. That giant sail in the rear will help reattach flow behind the rider.

Actually, the fact that the claims are reasonable and within the realm of possibilities (and not outlandish) will probably inspire more confidence than if they claimed that this bike was responsible for a 13minute Hawaii Bike improvement by their top rider... Oh wait.

I’m wondering if it’s trying to take your legs out of the equation as much as possible. If the fork can split the airflow inside/outside your legs I could see that helping cda numbers.

At least the paint is good.

where did you grab these pics from??

The website was live last night apparently and then taken down.

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also, if i want to take my shiny new shiv out for a sprint or olympic, i still have to use the massive hydration storage on back? or will there be different sizes avail?

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You’ll fit in better if you leave it on for a sprint. You never know when you could need 2L of water.

That is ugly. The front is interesting, thanking the lord I went with ARGON. The last shiv was beautiful and made sense, this is just icky.

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The hydration storage is 1.5ltr.

https://bikerumor.com/...ign-massive-storage/

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Specialized claims that the resulting bike is almost a minute faster than the fastest 2011 Shiv setup possible. But compare it to the average Shiv set up (without the Fuelcell, Slammed bars, cleanest cable routing, and BTA bottle), and the new Shiv is minutes faster around the Kona course.

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You might be onto something here, but bikerumors say Specialized says this bike is optimized for Kona crosswinds.

If that's indeed so, the fast guys can remain on P5/SC with peace in mind ;) (of course, I'm more from (even if illegal) TTer perspective)

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They should have just made a beam bike with fuselage storage.

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Nah...beam bikes are meh....

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And this bike looks like it got hit in the face with a shovel!

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If only someone already thought of that.

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It took me a while to find those hidden pictures of the Shiv Disc but i cannot figure out the logic behind the youtube links that specialized gave to bike rumor.
They are called "Shiv 2" and "Shiv 3" and they are not listed (so you cannot find them on youtube when you search it).

But to my knowledge their should be around 5 Videos ( at least "Shiv 1" with the full introduction) would be there.
Is there any Einstein out there who could find those missing videos on youtube??

These are the already known videos (all posted on the 4th Oct)





Thanks in advance

Except for the fact it's a Dimond

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Gah...meant fuselage hydration...

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Yeah, seems odd to reduce frontal area with a mono-post aerobar riser, then give it all back with that unconventional fork. But Specialized has a wind tunnel and I failed college calculus, so I'm begrudgingly willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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Ok I found it.
This is the official launch video.
It seems it not to be public yet but enjoy:

That works out to ~13watts faster than the old Shiv in it's "fastest" possible configuration. If true, it's ~5 watts faster than the 2nd gen Speed Concept which would be quite impressive.

This thread is about real bikes.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA best comment ever about Dimond!

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But I don´t really get it. So this is the launch edition bike which will be limited to 500 bikes and they will be delivered by March 2019. But when are the not limited non launching bikes coming? Or are they not coming and this is kind of a prototype.

Specialized is really trying to built up some pressure to make the people buying the bike before there is any test or review on it as they say it will be sold out soon. Are they afraid of people not buying it at all or that they are not buying once they saw a review :)

It's marketing! People want limited editions.

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+1 on the pure hideousness of it

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Dimond is a much nicer bike than this. This Specialized will be slower and is competing with the Ventum for the ugliest available bicycle.

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I doubt that.

This probably isn't the one you're after, but I thought maybe worth posting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa5p4iJW1Q4

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Dimond is the ugliest junk around. And yes, I have ridden one.

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True QR got me that way. Also that color is expensive!

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I don't. But in any case, when someone says "Optimized for Kona conditions", I hear "Not very fast in normal conditions". Perhaps that's unfair. I certainly am way faster on my Dimond than I was on a Speed Concept, which marketed with the same Kona-optimized gimmick.

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Not sure I follow your math. If they said the Shiv Disc is ‘almost a minute faster’ over 112 miles the watt savings is going to be much less than 13

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Visual wind tunnel looks about right. It's basically a giant sail out the back; great lift while tacking and reaching but not great for going straight into the wind.

Would love to see hambini get his mitts on one and stick it in the "real world" wind tunnel protocol.

IME, there were at least 13 watts to take off of a "perfectly optimized" Shiv already. Remove Specialized bars, and install TriRig or Ventus I/II. Remove the internal bladder (that tube was really big) and fish your flat kit down in there. Replace brakes with TriRig Omega SV.

A bike optimized for Kona...?????!! I mean seriously, the number of athletes doing Kona who might consider buying this bike is what....at the very most like 100 (and more likely 25-50)....compared to the potential tri bike buying population that number is tiny. What a stupid marketing strategy.

That launch video was cringeworthy. Everyone who spoke seems like an engineer and not a triathlete. The fuselage integration hydration is what had previously drawn me to Specialized, but being told everything was changing when I made my decision after being fit I went with the E119. Happier with this decision.

The foldable aerobars make sense but they also don't. They chose to go with a proprietary cockpit that will be tough to modify for all of the true aero weenies. The placement of the hydro-sale and the length of the drink tube could be an issue and unlike the previous version...will you have to take that to a shop every time you need a new one?

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I was hoping to see how they clean the hydration.

Like this is great and all but seriously, how the hell are you going to clean the tube that routes through the entire thing? Also how do you put it back in?

Also I wonder how much you lose trying to lug 1.5L of hydration and your entire buffet of fuel vs. using on course nutrition. Also wonder if you can fill that bad boy while on the go.

Likely two tubes, one that is removable for cleaning, the other is the guide tube.

I'm curious. Are you saying that you would start an ironman with less than 1.5l of fluid and not pack all the nutrition you required? Really?

"The bike leg of a triathlon is probably the one cycling discipline where aero truly is everything."

Come on now.

(some Specialized love here).






It is hard to sit through.

This! Exactly this! The current (now "old") Shiv can be easily cleaned up even for longer 140.6 or 70.3 races.. the way it was configured from the factory was painful with cables hanging out in the wind, etc. I'd love to take my Shiv in IM config and run it against the new disc Shiv in a wind tunnel (and my frame is on the large size for me so I am already giving up some watts due to the frame being to big.) I run one bottle on the back of the set to refill the Xlab bTA aero bottle and when I am done with it I toss it... so no more aero penalty . Water is in the downtube bladder and my flat and other nutrition are in the fuelslage storage box. Nothing it hanging off the bike in the wind. Photo is from Cda70.3 but I run the same setup for a Full, just refill the xlab and bladder from the course.

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Is that supposed to be in pink?

That's a HAWT bike.

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No, not at all. 1.5l is only 2 bidons and carrying enough nutrition for 5 hours isn't hard.

Awesome for spez to give us a billboard at the back to advertise sponsors. Ad Space here call 877-808-1234

Maybe it isn't all that hard but on a hot race (and damn it seems like I am always choose 90+ degree hot races) I certainly like the ice cold bottle from the aid station 4 hours into the ride vs. the 90+ degree nutrition on my bike.

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Official launch site here (eventually):

https://www.specialized.com/new-shiv

Looks like UPS is already bought a new Shiv and and sponsored it!

Oh, I'm not arguing you could. I take all my calories in liquid since I don't like fussing around. I just have zero problem using a catered race course for liquids, which also isn't hard with a 2 bottle setup.

I don't think one way is necessarily any better. You just seemed shocked that someone would use on course nutrition or regularly grab bottles.

I would think that if that rear luggage compartment had a top similar to the fuel cell - a rubber slit, at least big enough to open to accommodate a water bottle nozzle - you could, reach back, find slit with nozzle, insert nozzle into slit, and squeeze the bottle to refill your pony keg all while still riding, no?

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Trying all the new on course gear is half the fun for me in an IM, keeps things fresh. Plus it's free!

One minute?

Think about that again for me...

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The new Shiv also has an ovelanding attachment for training during the off-season.
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your position needs more work than your shiv. looks like the shiv might be the wrong bike for you.

Interestingly, many felt the same way about the P5x.

There are P5xs...everywhere.

I wouldn't disagree but I have made it work for now. But this really wasn't a "how's my fit thread", but thx.

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I was trying to figure out the time difference over 40k which works out to 13 seconds. Car math. My bad.

60 seconds / 180km = .3seconds/km = 3 watts

...Speed Concept is likely faster. I’ll keep my rim brake bikes.

Not really . Or was that supposed to b pink. I’ve Never sent one in Person myself. And that marketing was based on all IMs not just Kona as far as i recall.

Not supposed to be in pink. Unsure why you haven't seen many P5xs. They are all over the place at west coast races.

Slowtwitch just doesn't get it, ultimately. They think these bikes are made for them. They aren't.

The fact that Specialized spent hundreds of thousands and millions? on researching, designing, and building a new tri bike should make everyone cream their pants while we participate in this sport that is dying, but no we as a community feel the need to nitpick the shit out of it. Stupid.

Well I’m not on the west coast. I completely agree that bikes are not maser for STers, which makes the marketing of Kona racers more bizarre to me. STers, I think, do represent Kona racers fairly well they just don’t represent the masses very well. That’s why I think this marketing seems strange. Personally, I don’t find this bike nearly as offensive as others. But I also have no intention to purchase one.

While I agree that at first glance it feels like it should. But next time that Slowman does a "Next wheel purchase poll" compare the results to the Kona bike count. Very very different numbers.

That thing is ugly! I ride a shiv and I would not ride that thing.
2 things that are dumb a collapsible front end and disk breaks.
The front end on the old shiv have 4 bolts not hard to take apart.
How are you going to refill the hydration in a race behind the seat?
I don’t get it!

I'm not convinced that I should feel honoured that a company is investing in trying to sell me products for my sport.
And 13K bikes are hardly trying to remove barriers to entry to grow the sport either.
That applies to any company, not just SBC

In the case of this bike - it doesn't fit me and I don't like the complexity so I certainly won't be signing up. I do like the Klein-esque paint job though.

i see you twisting my message.

the fact that specialized even created a new tri bike is pretty great. i'm not gonna buy it, but i am not gonna hate it just because it's expensive and doesn't work for my use case, in theory. many of the people commenting on threads like this are short course athletes. this bike isn't for them either.

This bike is awesome. I agree with everything you said.

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I think it has plenty of positive attributes. I don't hate on it at all, actually. Having spent time with those guys in that tunnel, I think they are trying to make something unique that is potentially fast.

My only complaint would be cleaning the bottle/tube and I wish those bars with the pivot didn't seem like such an aero compromise.

You are probably right. This is more just my gut based upon nothing more. Regardless, I have long said that STers do not represent the average consumer.

The mono stem doesn’t appear to have any tilt, but maybe they’ll have angled risers?

I’m curious to see if Lucy Charles will be able to hit her same mantis position on this bike.

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yeah, love that we are seeing companies big and small coming up with innovative new designs for our sport. i won't be buying one but i am happy that they have released it.

this new shiv is like the P5X in that it is not trying so much to be faster (we are in the age of peak aero) as more out of the box optimised so that the mass market consumer (ie the large numbers you need to attract to make a profit) can have a fast setup walking out the shop door rather than spending half their life testing and optimising like some here do.

I’m 90% sure it has tilt. It was spec’d on the EU site as having 15 degrees of tilt adjustment.

Agreed x2..Not a huge Specialized fan but...how can people here say it’s “slow”...they have their own wind tunnel..R&D I’m sure is a thorough process there..the people here amaze me..

The people here are probably not as fast as they claim to be. They think every bike has to be designed for them. It’s a joke. The bike is amazing and better than a P5-X. It has everything you need and does it better than any other bike I’ve seen. I can’t wait to see one of these in person.

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I was curious to see what it looks like without the sail...

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Im sure they have different sized rear water storage, how will it be for small inseam riders.
For aesthetics id prefer that the rear water tank is in line with the top tube, but that defeats the 1.5ltr capacity.

Agree... I am sure they will have a few different boxes that can go back there.... and agree aligning with the top tube certainly looks a bit more normal.

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agree aligning with the top tube certainly looks a bit more normal.

Some frame A/B comparisons here (via Juxtapose link, as apparently we don't do iframes.)

That bottle reminds me of the Ventum idea only they shoved it behind the seat tube instead of in front on the top tube. Without it, that is a huge non-aero space between the tail of the seat tube & lead edge of the rear wheel. Wow, until it run through the rigors of trials I best just clam it up and not judge--so...it is an interesting design for sure. We will have to wait for Pubes to pull this one into the tunnel for more testing with some new models.

Looking forward to my new Shiv arriving in April

I see P5xs all the time in Arizona. When I rode through Usery pass there was a couple who rode their every Saturday like clockwork..

The Pathetic Triathletes seems to think it's uglier than a fat girl hit by a shovel.


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I would bet my 401k the new shiv is faster.

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https://www.specialized.com/us/en/new-shiv

Launched.

Interesting that they dummy proofed their fit app. They have you measure from a wall and the floor and give those measurements. I don't know those measurements.... I just know pad x and y. Wish I could just give those measurements into the app. Also... why does specialized list the reach and stack to the fork? Cervelo does the same thing. There's no need to show it (pad x and y are what matters) on a bike with an oem proprietary front end.

Still curious to see how the straw/hose is routed.

So you store your flat kit underneath the fuel cell in the downtube? Is there a separate compartment for the flat kit? How much room is there (enough for 2 tubes, 2 co2's, multi tool?)?? How does the fuel cell mount/fasten? Can it be removed quickly to change a flat?

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Very true kona and Galveston are the windest races I have raced, most course don’t compare.

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Just throw it all in and pray you can find it when needed!

The straw routing will be interesting to see, seems like it could be problematic.

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So, it's spec'ed with 24c Turbo Cotton tires. Fast rollers, but not terribly aero. I'm a little surprised they didn't come up with a new tire for this.

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LOLOLOLOL

Have you not seen the Tom A. tire data?

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found this on FB

That’s a lot of m&m’s. Where is the spare tubes and co2’s going?

Looks like a much lower bike then past shiv, which is nice.

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Yes, I've seen Tom A's data. Its a fast roller (i.e. low .crr) But the aero sucks at higher yaw angles, which is what this frame is supposed to do best. As far as I understand, Tom runs Turbo Cottons on just about everything..... other than a TT bike.


This was a golden opportunity to launch a new TT tire that had something close to the Turbo Cotton .crr, but also had the right shape to compliment all the aero work that went into this frame and those Roval CLX 64's. It would also be something they could sell now to those of us who couldn't consider this bike until the more moderately priced derivatives come to market 2-3 years down the road.

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This looks a "dummy" bike. An aero bike from 1993. Brutal. It'll be weird when everyone is buying LG bikes next year.

Interesting placement of the torpedo but shows tilt.

I just saw that it will be as expected 14k USD (and hopefully 12k €) for the bike incl. the baike bag.
You´ll have to pay 1k to your dealer already as a reservation and the other 13k in March 2019 when you pick it up.

I absolutely need a new bike but all I was asking for was something like a P5-6 with disc brakes and a integrated handlebar, hydrtion and bento box like the Speedmax CF SLX.
But I don´t get why everyone is trying to invent the bike from scratch now. I am not totally against the design of the new Shiv but seriously? A complete new and weird design for less than 60sec on a 5h bike ride?

Lucy Charles

Based on this image that rear hydration is going to be a PIA in real life. That is a super long straw and unless its 100% the reservoir is substantially higher that the mouth piece. That means there will be a lot of liquid pooling in the tubes just waiting to get real gross. Even if it is removal for cleaning getting the gunk out of a tube that long is not going to be easy.

I would also be concerned about constantly removing a tube in that region unless I am using SRAM etap. The cable housing presumably runs in that region and its surprising easy to get the internal cable guides in a tangled mess if you have to force the new cables through them. Specialised already made this mistake with the Transition which due to a similar cable arrangement allows the internal guides to twist around each other when you trying and install new cables.

If a monopost is better than a traditional aerobar, why is a triple headtube better than a traditional one?

Thought I might prefer it without the pizza box on the back... Still not sure...
Also wonder who their sacrificial lamb will be to blaze up the beginning of the bike course for TV time.

The monopost design is required to clean up the straw exit for the hydration system. The way the straw wiggles via the frame to the fork/bars means it will kill the handling unless it goes centrally. You need the whole front end to pivot around the straw rather than flex the straw. This also requires a beefy monopost as it need a big void for the straw. My instinct is Once you have designed for the straw adding additional struts only slows things down.

This... without the "I'm sorry".

It's the new version of the "fast around the Nurburgring" idiocy.

Yup. Better start devising a high pressure contraption and stocking on hypochlorite to clean that mess up. I doubt regular 50ml syringes will cut it.

They need to make an ice luge version of this for their Kona party

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how can you have an opinion if you have not used the bike and have not seen tests.
what you have is emotions that you prefer the look of the shiv


i like what they did but i just dont think no bike is worth the price tag .

In a traditional design, the fork crown is a tough Aero challenge. It's tilted according to the the head tube angle, flat and wide to merge into the legs. Usually, the frame down tube is widened to streamline the fork. It works -but the leading edge is still bad.

This design moves the fork crown upwards above the headset - tilts the 'crown' horizontal, parallel to the airflow. The large shoulders are a trade-off but at least they can be streamlined, whereas a traditional fork crown cannot. The Wilier twinblade still had a crown.

Personally, I like how this cockpit pushes the boundaries!

The routing doesn’t look too bad. Similar to a front derailleur.

https://imgur.com/gallery/3Rduodf

despite James's and Bryan's off-putting comments, this bike is growing on me.

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Yeah I also came from "FUGLY" -> "Maybe not too bad -> back to "mehh..."
Because I thought it might be not too bad if you get rid of the sail (a gigantic sail that just saves you about 28sec on a 5h ride... tssss...) and also those cheap wheelset.
But than I realized that I would need to pay 14k for a bike where I would need to throw the wheels, the crank and the hydration system.

You remember the old one was painfully slow in comparison to every other tri specific bike in a wind tunnel test. According to spesh, this one in comparison to "the fastest race set up of our previous shiv" is 1min faster over an ironman. That's right...the new model (cost $13k) will save you 5.33 seconds per 10mile tt over a bike that's already proven to be slow anyway (which it is illegal for) - it is taking the term marginal gains to a whole new level. I was not a fan of the original Shiv, this one just makes no sense. Obviously people will buy it because Spesh tell them to but it cant be for performance reasons.

Not a very good advertisement for your bike when you have an integrated hydration system and then she's sticking a bottle in her rear jersey pocket. That's one downside of the downtube storage, you can't put a water bottle there. I'd never race with a bottle on the downtube but it's a handy option for training. I do like having a hidden compartment in the DT for tube, CO2, etc. As long as the nutrition compartment is easy to pop out, not an issue. Just have a bag in there you can quickly grab, and to keep it from rattling around.

The tube routing doesn't look so bad, don't think it will be a problem. Although cleaning it when using sports drink... would like to know how they're handling that. And how are people so sure they have more than one size of the hydration compartment available, haven't seen anything about that yet? I sure hope no one tries to refill the rear hydration on the fly, yikes, I hope that was a joke. Folks wandering all over the course while they refill their front hydration is bad enough.

I sure hope that funky fork has an aero advantage as otherwise if they went to all that trouble just to get good routing for the tube, that's a big hmmmm. All so you don't have to do a bottle swap every hour or two? And it's so easy to drink out of a BTA bottle while staying in aero, don't get all this Rube Goldberg hydration stuff that so many triathletes are running.

I like the out of the box innovation on this bike but if they only got one minute in 112 miles over the old Shiv... that's not very encouraging.

I could care less about aesthetics but the price, well, that is pretty ugly.

the seat tube has a bottle mount.

excuse me? which of my comments have been "off putting" to you?

The Hoff's shiv. You can see angled risers.


Could be Tim Don's but not sure.

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Any idea how log the pros would have had the new bike,wondering how much riding they would have done on them

I want the clear version full of M&Ms. But, not just the one compartment - I want it completely filled, with a turn dispenser thingy in the BB.

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So it still doesn’t look like tilt is available on the cockpit.

Hoff, Charles, and Don all have steeply bent extensions that exit the clamp straight, then rise up. Then, they have angled wedges under the arm rests that independently angle those up.

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since santa cruz 70.3

so $14k. holy. CRAP.

im interested in this custom case they are selling with it.

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Everywhere in Kona?

They seem to have copied Cervelo. Lots of storage, foldable bar, custom case, mono-post, $14K.

Amen to that. So glad I got the previous model now that I'm seeing this. Unless this is somehow going to shave minutes off my time over the last design.....

Hmm. Not a fan of the aesthetics. But more interested in the #’s of the tests and the true speed as I would set it up. What is the purpose of widening the front forks? Also, is that rear hydration sail thing there really for hydration or does it serve significant purpose of increasing overall aero of the bike? If it’s there for aero functions I’m good with that. I’m not a fan of big hydration reservoirs on bikes. I carry both sports drink and water on long rides and races and I can’t mix those in a reservoir like that. So I still have to carry multiple bottles. So what’s the point... ha- possibly that big tank could reduce the need for a bike special needs bag if we could stuff everything in it! I’m not a fan of the aesthetics but awaiting to see the aero test #’s and the weight of the bike in a normal triathletes setup..

I was wondering the same thing? Can people not be excited about a bike? Or can you only be excited about Slowtwitch approved bike?

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As per the video, the fork design was chosen for greatest sail effect in crosswinds. And the reservoir was clearly an aero appendage first that was later adapted to carry water. The video mentions that they opted to put water there when it was determined the space was too thin/deep to be of use as any other sort of storage, indicating that it was there before for they knew what they were going to do with the space inside. With that small seat post and all the gap between the seat tube and rear wheel, there has to be a big aerodynamic penalty for running without it. .

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When you launch this, there's no excitement. Aesthetically it's uglier than a rabid squirrel. The aero numbers are whatever since most people are purchasing bikes for aesthetics, which is also why companies are shifting to custom paint jobs that you can order out of the box instead of being stuck with whatever stock crap they got or spending another k to get a vinyal wrap so that you don't screw the warranty.

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With the cockpit adjustability the frame can fall inline.

As for the hydration, #aeroiseverything.

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Looks like a few ideas cobbled together.

Last Shiv had a flow to it.

The tank at the back looks awful

I like it.

I heard that rear storage is called the Specialized BedonkaBox ®

They mention in the video six athletes already have the bike and will be on it in Kona. I’m guessing:
- Javier Gomez
- Ben Hoffman (not racing, though I bet the video was shot prior to his announcement)
- Tim Don
- Lucy Charles

Who am I missing. The Prince of Bahrain???

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And the Transition's "Virtue" aero bottle lives on!! :-)

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TBH, it looks alot better without the huge pitcher in the back. But, that foil most likely makes it more aero.

I'm not in Kona, but I have seen way more P5x's at races this past year and a half than I would have expected. At Oceanside in 2017 there were maybe 1-3 total. At Oceanside 2018 there were noticeably more. Same has been true at St. George, CdA, Santa Rosa.

It might be very fast, but it is surely ridiculous looking.

I would tend to agree, particularly since aero gains from one generation to the next are nowhere near as significant as they used to be. And they are often now focusing on certain situational gains (crosswinds, for example) as opposed to all-around gains since things have already become so optimized.

Small pump in the bottom bracket connecting the rear hydration through the m&m's to the mouthpiece & bingo, no more energy wasted sucking on a tube.

An all in one hydration & nutrition system for sailing through the bike course.

I'd rather see a coffee maker module in the downtube fuelselage that the water reservoir feeds. It would be awesome on early morning training rides to be able to drink fresh-brewed coffee through the straw without ever having to leave the aero position.

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Hello

first post on Slowtwich for me. Sorry for the english, I'm french...

1 minute of aero gain over an Ironman : based on my beloved calculator, carefully calibrated through hours of ride on the track and road, 1mn over 180km around pro speed (40 km/h) equal : 2,1 w
i.e. 1,2 watt for me (around 33km/h)
i.e. 21 g of drag at 30mph (to compare to several studies like "Tri bikes at the age of peak aero", ...)
i.e. I will get twice or three time this saving replacing my good old ultregra pulley wheels with a nice 16 or 17 teeth OSPW from Cycling Ceramic or Ceramic Speed or whoever,,, just for comparing.

Please note this is nearly the margin error in an aero test.

Please note also we do not know which yaw repartition for this result (to my (lack of) knowledge)

Remark 1 : how can a big brand with big R&D can arrive to such a small result, reworking completely the bike ?
My view is that it is coming from the negative impact of disk brakes on aero.
Disk brake have such shitty aero that reworking the rest of the bike with radical new solution barely compensate ?
I'm curious to see the results of future Cervelo P5 (or P3) Rim vs Disk aero drag, based on various yaw. It will give us some real comparison figures.

Remark 2 : disk brakes is a clear trend (forced, but real), so brands need (want) to go there. For aero bikes, such as Tri bikes, it is still to be proven it is a good point for users. And this point appear to be difficult to prove. This bike is an exemple. Releasing a new 10/14k€/USD bike with no aero gain (thanks to margin error) based on unknown (but certainly oriented) yaw, is certainly not what Specialized expected...
Their previous bike already not an aero rocket... this one possibly worse (with not favorable yaw) ?
These products managers are not in a good situation...

Remark 3 : I love disk brakes, when going downhill for hundreds or thousands of meters of D- in Pyrenees or Alps... Much safer, much stronger. Especially with rain. But probably in a flat tri it will bring me nothing. Except drag ?
I'm ready to go disk, for safety reasons in downhill, under rain, but given the price to change one road and one TT/Tri bike (one with basic/training wheel, the other with 55mm aero wheels, frequently swapped depending on usage), I guess I will wait 1, 2 or 3 years in order to let the offer stabilize, then go to mid price models (such as P3 Disk, S3 Disk, or Trek, Spe, Canyon, Argon... equivalent).
Probably no or little aero gain (compared to my existing P3 2014), but safer.

No doubt early adopters and less price-sensitive peoples will go sooner for these disk equipped babies. Aero gains are ... ahem.... not guaranteed ?

No one has mentioned the obvious - peeing while on the bike could result in your urine making its way into the hydration tank.

No.

It's a bladder system with a straw. The bladder fits into the draft box. It's not an open tank.

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Similar to Camelbak then - you have to remove the cover then open the bladder? Doesn't seem all that useful for long course racing.

How is it not useful? You get 2 bottles of water in a bladder. Then, you have a BTA up front and a bottle behind the saddle if you need. That's 4 bottles of water. The bladder gets you through half of an Ironman course.

You guys are missing the bigger picture.

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I was just thinking of that. The BTA is a must, especially one you can swap out or refill. I suppose the question is if you set the bike up with sufficient hydration and food how does it effect the aerodynamics? That's a question I also have for some of these really wild designs like the Ceepo Phantom, the frame might be super fast but once you strap bottles and bags all over it then what?

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Bikes are coming out that are fully integrated and allow you to carry everything you need for an Ironman, and it's not good enough. With the new Shiv, everything is hidden in the frame. What more can you ask for?

Bicycle only drag charts are meaningless because they aren't testing with storage and bottles. Pure frame drag doesn't mean anything once bottles get put on, bentos are attached, and flat kits are placed somewhere.

But you know....people argue all day long about the aerodynamics of a 23 mm or 24mm tire but won't even give a bike the time of day that has everything thought of.

It's hilarious to watch.

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I'm only replying to a portion of your post but I agree with your points, and this is similar to what I was commenting on earlier. The aero gains manufacturers are making these days are so so minimal because bikes have already been optimized so far. Specialized must recognize this too, despite all the work I am sure they have put into the design.

All that said, whether they acknowledge it or not, I appreciate that they seems to be giving us honest numbers on time savings, etc. I am sure they also wanted to release a bike that saved people so much they *had* to go get it, but there's only so much more they can do....

Hey All,

I am here to answer some questions about the bike.

1. The hydration system does come in multiple sizes - There are currently 4 sizes based on the change in top tube height that help put the Fuelcell within the expected saddle adjustment ranges. The system can also be cut-to-fit for a rider that has a unique morphology.
2. The frame has a permanently installed conduit within the frame that makes bladder removal very easy. You can push or pull the bladder system out with 1-hand. The permanent conduit makes sure you arent battling debris, tools, cabling, etc...while performing this process.


• The photo of the clear frame is not the production system - It is a mockup - The way it was made does not allow for the internal conduit and production lid system, etc...
  
3. The rear reservoir is removeable! It is only 2 bolts and it comes off. Of course this feature is a big aero benefit at yaw, so removing it is not recommended but its the riders choice.
4. BTA, TT and ST mounting points are provided for flexibility in mounting additional storage/nutrition
5. The front nosecone is removable to allow access to all of the cabling and hydration straw for further ease of use

Come by the SHIV Launch display next to Ceramic Speed by Huggos this week to check it out in person!

That is amazing! Thanks for posting.

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That's not a hydration system, he's running a catheter that allows him to pee without ruining the paint job on his bike.

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I'm closer to the feathered end of the spear than the point.

For those that want to test ride it, it's now an available bike on Zwift.

As I said in the other thread about the new Shiv, I like the bike and I believe that Specialized will sell them as quickly as they choose to produce them. The old Shiv was "ugly" when it came out according to the masses but they sure sold a lot of them.

I don't know. I live in San Diego, and regularly train on Fiesta Island, which is a common stomping ground for tri bikes. I've seen one. Compared to tons and tons of IAs, P5s, NP3s, Shivs, Speed Concepts, etc.

I could see there maybe being a higher concentration at bigger WTC races vs. "in the wild" as I imagine a good portion of the P5x crowd may not use the bike as their daily driver.

Slowtwitch alone has 20,000 views and over 500 post about the new Shiv between three post. Along with all their athletes posting today, I also think they will have no problem selling all they make.

1. Is it possible to fit anything else in the hydration system for trainings or is there any other box that fits tyres, CO2 etc. which could be mounted behind the seat post?
2. The limited edition will be shipped in March but is there also a standard version coming out next year (hopefully only as frame set)?
3. Is it true that this is more or less a prototype limited to 500pc and it depends if they sell well or not weather there will be a 2nd series of it or not?
4. Its said that the design is specifically for Kona. Does that mean that the benefits of the bike are below the margin when comes to other races?

Here is my quick review video.

Nice vid. Better than all the Specialized one at showing all the features. Just like the P5x it does seem very well thought out in terms of adjustment, storage, and travel.

That said, only a minute faster than an optimized old Shiv isn’t much given that the old Shiv always seemed to be a ways back in all the other manufacturers drag charts. There’s the argument that adding bottle and nutrition to the frame will slow a bike down, but that’s not necessarily the case. Well placed items can often be drag neutral and in some cases (such as a BTA bottle) can lower the drag. Not having to slow down at aid stations would be nice. But that happens twice in an Ironman? And not at all in a half or shorter.

That said, I’m sure I’ll be riding by a few of these at WTC races next season

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Well, Sarah is a lot better at selling an ugly bike than the folks at Specialized.

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This. And it's still fugly, expensive and still a hard NO.

When you say the fuel cell can be cut to fit based on rider morphology, does this mean it could be custom fit to any height even if it’s not one of the 4 standard sizes. For example, if the rider wanted to cut it to be in line and level with the top tube then this is possible?

Thanks for all the info!

Excellent analysis Wolf.

Also, It would be great to have a reference how much faster is this new Shiv compared to the new generation of Aero Road bike like the new Venge or S5 Disc. I know it's going to be compare apples to oranges as they have different geometry and applications however as a consumer and amateur cyclist and triathlete I'm not planning to get the new generation bikes with disc brakes that are rated USD+10k each and if we are talking about the same marginal gains between the new Shiv and Venge (2, 3watts) I would just get the new Aero road bike.

On the shiv's unique aero features:

The splitter in the back will have some benefits at yaw as mentioned, but also at 0 yaw only from the fact it's cleanly splitting the vortices from the thighs as well as potentially providing some flow reattachment through certain areas of the pedalling cycle. Gains will be greater the narrower your net stance is. Any word on the q-factor?

The fork is a very interesting piece. At 0 yaw there is a benefit from distancing the blades and crown from the wheel due to flow velocity in that area. The blades and nose cone area is a strange looking spot from an interference drag perspective. When you have openings, flow going through them usually increases with speed, compressing until it chokes and a stagnation bubble forms. What happens then is the rest of the fluid goes around that virtual sheild. Not sure at which speed that might happen on the shiv, but it's been designed to acheive that, otherwise we wouldn't have that nose cone shaped this way.

Bikes do not ride themselves so the fact this fork arrangement creates a larger front end is inconsequential to frontal area when you put a rider on the bike, due to the legs. It changes the Cd and that is the interesting part. If you could break it down, you would see the legs are a really important source of drag as a percentage of CdA. And you can't really bend or incline them with the same flexibility as the torso, head and arms to tune for drag (except riding knees in). The wake generated by the fork has an impact on the legs inbound flow, which can have an impact on leg drag. Solving this as a fork-leg-rear wheel/splitter system can lead to lower drag overall. Basically, you use the fork to engineer the flow hitting the leg so you can more efficiently manage the flow that leaves it.

Can't wait to see WT reports on this. I bet drag for the bike alone will be higher than usual at low yaw angles, but that's pointless. Drag with a rider on will be competitive at 0 yaw with a P5(x) and will beat it at >15°.

Based on the video below it's not a bladder and you could well get piss in there if the top of the tank isn't sealed...

Oh how wrong you are. Let me upload a photo

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I'm just going on the Talbot video and Sarah said she can fill it on the fly. Explain that?

You can fill it THROUGH a fly. So, ya know, pee into it....

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She pretty much described how to fill it on the fly and according to her, you just remove the top and squirt away. Plus, the opening seems awfully narrow to try to squeeze a filled bladder through.

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Lol really? I suggest you read back through the thread about that picture...

You can see the bladder in the video. You don't fill up the box.

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Explain the Sarah True video showing off her bike explaining she can flip the top off and fill it on the fly?

Explain the plastic bladder you can so easily see in that box.

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At 1:53 in the video, you can clearly see a plastic bladder. You will not be refilling this on the fly. No one could do that while riding. It's a bladder that holds 2 bottles of fluid with a straw.

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I'd imagine it's the OSBB BB, unless they decide to break their recent trend with this bike.

If it has a bladder you couldn't fill on the fly. If it had an plastic removable lining with an open top you potentially could fill it. Certainly would be hard to fill on the fly regardless...

What do you think this is? It's a plastic bladder

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