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Hi guys,

I am going to race Ironman Lake Placid this summer. I have never done a triathalon before and no I am not trolling. Does anyone have any advice for what I can do to prepare and what kind of times I can expect? For reference, I am a very active person, and I run distance for my highschool. I'm male, 5'9 and 120-125lbs/55-56kg. Any advice is appreciated because I really don't know what I'm getting myself into. What kind of training is necessary to go sub 10 at Lake Placid?

Edit 1: I did a half marathon in about 1:19 and I usually bike around 20 miles a day, so I have a little endurance already

Edit 2: I turn 18 only like 2 days before race day so I'm just barely able to do it

Edit 3: I did an ftp ramp test on zwift and got 285w. This would put my ftp at about 5.2 watts/kg (Assuming it is accurate) but I'm not really sure what this means or whether this is good or not so hopefully some of you have some advice for me.

Edit 4: There are probably going to be a lot of edits by the time I race, but honestly, if you are going to comment and tell me not to race lake placid, you might as well give me some advice instead because I'm definitely going to. I'm also planning for it to be my senior project

Edit 5: I'll try and respond to all of the posts/questions you guys have
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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In all seriousness, for your long-term athletic development:

Don’t.

Race short. Build speed. Save IM for at least 5 years down the road.

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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [rrheisler] [ In reply to ]
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Its too late actually I already signed up
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [rrheisler] [ In reply to ]
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If I prepare enough is it really that bad?
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Train long but not hard. You should be in better shape than grandpas. But IM is not a sport for teens. Should you be working on the 3rd base at this point of your life? I was
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [uva0224] [ In reply to ]
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If you can run that fast in 13.1 you’ll be fine if you concentrate on building up a big base of volume. Ease into the miles. Try not to worry about speed, it will only hinder your progress. Take a lighter week every few weeks. If you trained seriously, you could break 12 hours easy. Biggest thing is gaining experience. With nutrition, pain, and negative thoughts. I had that kind of mental toughness at your age. But I didn’t stop growing until my senior year. I couldn’t run in college due to shin splints. So, some may argue that it’s not right to put your growing body through that at such an early age. So once again. Take it easy. Easy and repeatable. If you can finish it, you’ll learn a ton and be much faster your second time around.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [TonyRad] [ In reply to ]
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Btw. My aunt’s first and only tri was a full. On a borrowed ill fitting bike, with no more than 30 miles logged a week. She could barely swim but she had tons of marathon training. Top of her age group in every marathon completed. She finished her flat 140.6 in just over 13 hours. Placid is not flat. Take that for what it’s worth. Any type of high volume endurance training will help significantly. She wont sign up for another tri though. Haha
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Sam and Lionel did something similar to start their careers. Grip it and rip it kid.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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So, you didn't mention anything about swimming. Are you swimming yet? If not, get on that immediately.

Bike as much as you can and build up the speed as a secondary focus. I would also suggest doing lots of hills if you can. If you don't live in a hilly area do repeats.

Good luck. Also, don't be dumb and injure yourself. Listen to your body and go easy.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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My daughter's plan is to race from sprints in middle school to Olympic in high school then 70.3 the year she graduates, then a full sometime in college.

I agree there's no rush... unless you've already signed up.

Then just focus on getting lots and lots of easy miles in. Don't worry about the pace being fast enough. Let it feel as easy as possible because the duration will be what makes it hard. You'll be fine if you follow one of the many online plans.

Just make sure you're always going at a pace where you keep telling yourself, "I should be going faster". You will likely pass hundreds of people in the last half of your race who didn't hold back when they felt like they should speed up.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [rrheisler] [ In reply to ]
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Hi, coach of youth triathletes here. See this?

rrheisler wrote:
In all seriousness, for your long-term athletic development:

Don’t.

Race short. Build speed. Save IM for at least 5 years down the road.

Take it seriously.

You can do some serious damage to your long term performance future if you enter into this now. Your aerobic engine has yet to fully develop, your hormones are still coming into balance, and there is a whole OCEAN of things you don’t even know that you don’t know with this sport. This can be really dangerous for you. Skip the cuteness of your oops I signed up and save the bravado for some top end short course work and become a powerhouse in the sport. IM will be around until the end of time, there’s no rush.

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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [littlefoot] [ In reply to ]
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I'm swimming about an hour easy every morning only freestyle.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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You could be like the real life version of the main character from Iron Sharpens Iron (https://www.amazon.com/...-Handy/dp/1734760400)

My math shows we are 22wks out. I'd suggest trying to find a 20wk beginner Ironman training plan and follow it, more or less. Here's one I found in 30s on google: https://cdn.triathlete.com/...an-Training-Plan.pdf

You are not going to break 10hrs, put that out of your mind. If you somehow managed, it'd indicate you're the second coming of Mark Allen. Just enjoy the training and the event as much as possible, people have done much dumber things when they were 19, you'll survive.

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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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This training plan seems like a lot less than what I normally do with my friends just for fun. Should I really be decreasing volume by that much?
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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I'm interested in that book now
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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The desire to go sub-10, on your first IM, and at LP...what about your nutrition plan?!

Heck, I'll be there, let me know your name and if you go sub-10, I'll be the first to buy you a soda of your choosing - since a beer is out of question!

This thread could get good!
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [SwizBeats] [ In reply to ]
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My name is just the same as my username, and it would be super cool to see you there. I didn't mention this before, but my neighbor has done lake placid 16 times, and he has a lot of experience, so he can help guide my through the preparation hopefully. I'm planning to use the nutrition provided at lake placid during my training leading up to the race.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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IM is almost as much mental as it is physical. Remember that after swimming 3.8k and biking 180k (112 miles) all you have to do is a marathon.
Nothing against trying I have seen an eighteen year old go for it and do it.
Just get used to walking.
Good luck.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Henry Schultz wrote:
I'm swimming about an hour easy every morning only freestyle.

What’s your goal swim time? If you’re a good swimmer and can come out of the water pretty fresh it’ll be a big plus.

Let food be thy medicine...
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [rrheisler] [ In reply to ]
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rrheisler wrote:
In all seriousness, for your long-term athletic development:

Don’t.

Race short. Build speed. Save IM for at least 5 years down the road.

100% agree, & it's not too late just because you signed up. It's far enough out to utilize their refund policy. Would try a 70.3 first but even that seems like a lot. Sprint racing and working on your speed is the way to go if you're serious about triathlon. No reason to run a 1:19 half either. Think about your long term development and goals. Do you want to suffer through an Ironman or do you want to debut in 9 hours in your late 20s? Same deal with a half. Develop the speed to break 70 rather than finishing the distance.

If it's not negotiable, then think about your weaknesses. Did you grow up swimming? If not, you need to get in the pool 4-5 times/week, getting in 3k-4k at a time. You'll need to build the bike up to 4-5 hours. The running shows the potential for something like a 3:20-3:30 marathon. Running in an Ironman is different. That probably sounds slow to you but it won't when you get to it on race day. The Ironman is about stacking up sessions & overall training volume. Racing the distance is about being patient. Being a couple percent too quick on the swim or bike will have you walking the marathon. The best way to handle the distance is to be conservative & have a good fueling plan. Wouldn't recommend it tho.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [dcpinsonn] [ In reply to ]
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I swim about 3-4k every morning and over the summer I've biked up to ~8 hours. Also I ran the half as a long run for my xc training.
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Henry Schultz wrote:
I swim about 3-4k every morning and over the summer I've biked up to ~8 hours. Also I ran the half as a long run for my xc training.

Giving us that information at the beginning would have helped as we consider our advice to you. Knowing you are much further along that what was originally shared, I feel better about you competing in the event. However, I still agree with others-it's not the best thing for someone young and undisciplined. *No offense.

Can you do a half ironman anywhere in May that would give you an idea of what it will be like?

What bike do you have-is it yours or you borrowing one?
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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I'm going to strongly disagree with everyone saying not to do it. Dude, you only are 18 once, if this is exciting and motivating, 1000% go for it! That said, they are right that you could injure yourself or hurt development, so you do have to be smart in the buildup.

Running a 1:19 half is faster than 95% of the entrants will ever be able to run, so you're well ahead of the field and likely have a decent aerobic base (especially in running). The biggest thing is to build up endurance especially on the bike, as LP is one of the harder and slower bike courses amongst all races. You'll want to build up the volume on the bike a ton from the 20 mile you said that you're doing now. Consistency is far more important than big rides, so try to ride 4-5 days per week. Include one weekend long ride where you GRADUALLY work up to a 5-6 hour ride a month or 2 out from the race. As you're building, keep most of the rides especially the long ride easy. Given the course, once you have more volume build up, dedicate maybe 1 ride per week into some hill/strength work, but don't kill yourself there, just to build resilience in the legs.

Like others have said, make sure you listen to our body as your building up. If you're tired and sore, take a day off training and go for a walk, or kick/throw a ball with friends. Remember to keep this fun, an IM requires a lot of volume and to enjoy the sport you have to keep it enjoyable, especially as you're getting into it. Try to find others to run (probably from your school team, see if you can do a couple swims with your swim team too) and ride with near you.

I'm racing LP myself with a goal/dream of being top 3 amateur, in my late 20s now and been serious in the sport since I graduated college where I first got into it, so feel free to hit me up with any questions or if I can help at all. Would love to meet there too, it's super cool to get younger folks like yourself into and motivated about long course tri. Good luck!
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Ok you know what you're doing. Sub-9 & pro card in 1st IM attempt with zero consequences to long term development. I'm glad you seem to be confident with each discipline. IM success is dictated by lifetime mileage/volume. 3-4k every day is good. That would put you over 20k every single week. An 8 hour ride is good but it's about stacking up 2-5 hour rides. 1hr/20 miles a day is fine. If you're doing that with 1 super long ride & think you're good then you could be in trouble. You just need to have a good feel for what lines you can't cross in training/racing. IM LP bike course is hilly. It's not about time trialing a best bike split. You need to ride for an effort that allows you to run well.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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go to training peaks and buy a full distance plan that matches your hours/week availability; stick to the plan and good luck
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [mikeridesbikes] [ In reply to ]
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I agree. I (barely) remember when I was 18. It wasn't uncommon to workout in the gym for an hour or more and then head out for a 15 mile trail run. Our "engines" never seemed to run out.

I recently saw the video of Mark Lewis racing the young kid in the 5k (who IIRC had set the AG record). The kid had no watch, no HR data, no HRV data, no apparent "training plan", no super shoes, no pace data, etc., etc., etc. He just went out and ran.

I didn't get started in tri until I was nearly 60yo. I *had* to rebuild my engine and I'm still not rebuilt enough to do an IM (might not ever be).

Since you can do all the disciplines now at an above average or better pace, as others have said, grab a free training plan of the 'net, take rest days when you want to take rest days and keep in turn with your body in regards to injuries.

I predict you will kill it.

Please repost with your results so I can reminisce and vicariously live through you.

Good luck.

Not a coach. Not a FOP Tri/swimmer/biker/runner. Barely a MOP AGer.
But I'm learning and making progress.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Oh dear.

I knew a CAT-3 bike racer who did one sprint triathlon on a dare, got hooked, and signed up for IM Whistler a few months out. He DNF (did not finish) and he was late 20s and had 10 years of bike racing in him.

Could you finish an IM? Maybe. But you probably won't. If you began the training load needed to finish an IM you'd probably get injured in training and would not be able to race. If you start a lighter training load then you'd get in trouble in an IM. See the problem?

It takes a few years of building out to an IM distance. Sign up for a few sprints this year. Do some olympic distance races next tear. Then half Ironman.

Edit: you already signed up? Lol. OK might as well start the race. Don't be disappointed if you DNF. Take it as a learning experience. Just build out your long runs slowly very slowly: start short and lengthen the distances gradually.. You don't want a training injury prior to a race.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Have fun and don't worry too much about numbers. If you are feeling healthy and pain free then go ahead and do it.

There is a balance between being reckless and jeopardizing your future health vs going after an accomplishment that lights a fire inside of you (Ironman Lake Placid). Be cautious but don't listen to the negative people who will say you can't do it or you shouldn't. Sometimes life is about living and learning. I did an IM at age 23 and I'd probably have waited another year or two if I can do it again. I enjoyed the hell out of the journey though. I was proud of myself.

Edit: I echo what @mikeridesbikes said. I am also in my late 20's. Being 18 was an incredible time. Your classmates are on the couch playing video games and you are training for an IM. Live a little :)
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [dcpinsonn] [ In reply to ]
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dcpinsonn wrote:
rrheisler wrote:
In all seriousness, for your long-term athletic development:

Don’t.

Race short. Build speed. Save IM for at least 5 years down the road.

100% agree, & it's not too late just because you signed up. It's far enough out to utilize their refund policy. Would try a 70.3 first but even that seems like a lot. Sprint racing and working on your speed is the way to go if you're serious about triathlon. No reason to run a 1:19 half either. Think about your long term development and goals. Do you want to suffer through an Ironman or do you want to debut in 9 hours in your late 20s? Same deal with a half. Develop the speed to break 70 rather than finishing the distance.

If it's not negotiable, then think about your weaknesses. Did you grow up swimming? If not, you need to get in the pool 4-5 times/week, getting in 3k-4k at a time. You'll need to build the bike up to 4-5 hours. The running shows the potential for something like a 3:20-3:30 marathon. Running in an Ironman is different. That probably sounds slow to you but it won't when you get to it on race day. The Ironman is about stacking up sessions & overall training volume. Racing the distance is about being patient. Being a couple percent too quick on the swim or bike will have you walking the marathon. The best way to handle the distance is to be conservative & have a good fueling plan. Wouldn't recommend it tho.

There is a refund policy?

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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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If you are at 1:19 half marathoner, and a 285W FTP that is over 5W per kilo and swimming 1 hrs per day, this Ironman is going to be a cake walk. You should easily go sub 10 even at 18. Yeah, its not the best long term plan to do an IM, but why not if you have the capability.

You probably want to do a few 6-7 hrs days (1 hrs swim, 5.5 hrs bike, 30 min run) just to get the nutrition dialed, and also a few 40-50+ mile weeks (which should be easy if you are a 1:19 half marathoner, just make sure you lighten up on riding and swimming on the bigger run weeks.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Dear Henry; FTP > 5.0w/kg, 1:19 HM - you totally got this. What could go wrong?

I, for one, would advocate for lots of training via youtube and tiktok, maybe a bit of insta. Planning and thinking about the race will be more effective than risking overtraining. You will not need to do any long runs or long bikes with those excellent numbers. Starting training in May/June should be enough.


Also note, mile 100-112 at Lake Placid is LEGIT. It will be a valuable 70min to make memories of a lifetime and question life decisions.


The decision to go out on that 2nd marathon lap, rather than straight to an ice bath, will be influenced by David Goggins. IGA was a supermarket - now it's a hill that you will never forget. Twice.


My only suggestion would be a liberal application of anti-chafe. Put some bag balm or anti-chafe in T1/T2 for your feet. no blisters. When you run out of gas near the ski jumps, start drinking soda for the quick sugar? I'd put a 1L in your special needs bag to carry while you "run" that back half.

We are totally here for the post-race report. Seriously, have a great race and go sub 11. Bad decisions make great stories.

Don't plan on any stairs the day after.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Given your half-marathon time, your youthful naivety and stubbornness will probably get you to the finish in a much faster time than most of the people on this forum.

The impact on your long-term health and performance, not to mention your grades and social life in your last year of high school, remain to be seen.

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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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I doubt it will be easy no matter how much I train, but I appreciate your advice and everyone else who think I can do it. On these 7+ hour days should I be doing them continuously or with a short break to eat and stuff (around an hour or so maybe) in between. Also I'm still in school obviously so doing anything over 4-5 hours isn't really possible on week days because my school doesn't get out until after 3pm. Right now I usually swim before school and then bike and/or run after school.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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I didn't do an IM aged 18, but did run-walk a marathon aged 18, also cycled 200 miles one day because I had a bike and wanted to go somewhere that was 200 miles away & didn't want to pay for a train ticket. None of that seems to have caused long term problems & I'm still enjoying tri 32 years later.

Good luck. Hope you enjoy it. Maybe you'll go sub 10, maybe you won't. It's quite unusual in a first attempt. You clearly have the numbers and the potential, but the IM marathon can humble anyone.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Henry Schultz wrote:
Its too late actually I already signed up


You may be able to do this but Why is it too late to not race just because you signed up?
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Henry Schultz wrote:
I swim about 3-4k every morning and over the summer I've biked up to ~8 hours. Also I ran the half as a long run for my xc training.

Something is not adding up. Here you claim you swim 3-4k every morning. And you also edited your OP to say you bike 20 miles a day.

And you’re on your HS XC team.

I think you’re completely overstating how much you actually train. Is it intentionally overstating to try and get the responses you want?

Is it anxiousness and excitement clouding your memory as you’re trying to relay information to us?

You are getting some very good advice from people including one person who coaches youth athletes. Yet you seem intent on only wanting the responses that align with your task/project/goal/ego.

I would truly like to know your actual weekly volume for each discipline over the last four months. My gut feeling is the reality is not in line with your goals and infor here.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Yeeper] [ In reply to ]
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During the xc season I did indeed taper for the championship season, but that was only about 3-4 weeks in total, including time off afterwards. The cross country season ended awhile ago, and I am not competing in indoor and outdoor track so that I can focus on training. Cross country practice was only after school, and left the mornings open to training. I can assure you that I am not overstating how much I train, in fact, with the little information I provided about my training, it seems to me as though I understated my volume in terms of running.

If you doubt how much I have been training, feel free to message me and I can show you some of the data from my training logs.

In response to your statement that I "...seem intent on only wanting the responses that align with your task/project/goal/ego" I would 100% agree with you. Any responses that are not meant to help me further my goal of completing this race and doing my best are highly discouraged.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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It's not really, but I was also planning on using this experience as part of a project for my school, and I don't really have a better idea right now. Plus it already took a lot of convincing for my parents to allow me to sign up.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Your neighbour who has done IMLP 16 times sounds like a useful resource/ mentor to have on tap.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [fruit thief] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah definitely
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Understood re the season, that makes some more sense.

I’d like to see some of your training data here in the thread from the end of your XC season.

What was your fueling strategy for the XC season?
Can you take me through a typical day’s fueling in season?
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Henry Schultz wrote:
It's not really, but I was also planning on using this experience as part of a project for my school, and I don't really have a better idea right now. Plus it already took a lot of convincing for my parents to allow me to sign up.

Good life lesson here. Next time measure twice and cut once. Hope this works out for you!!
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Yeeper] [ In reply to ]
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Are you talking about my training since xc ended or the training at the end of xc season, because there's not much to see from the last week or so of my xc season. It's essentially just recovery.

Edit: I forgot to talk about my nutrition during xc. I didn't have any set nutrition. I wouldn't eat or drink anything during my long runs or during races, but I would just try and eat as much as I could outside of training. At this point, the idea of doing a triathlon didn't even really occur to me, so my focus was primarily on running, with biking and swimming being just a fun way to cross train with my friends.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you. I'm happy with the decision I've made and have no regrets, so maybe the saying should be measure once and cut once
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Henry Schultz wrote:
Thank you. I'm happy with the decision I've made and have no regrets, so maybe the saying should be measure once and cut once


Spoken like an 17 year old. Best of luck. I do think it’s great you are trying this.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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I'll take it since I don't turn 18 for awhile. Oh wait you changed it. Nevermind
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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I am cheering you on and think you can do it.
You’re committed, training hard and young. Keep us updated. Train hard and rest/recover hard.

Rob
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Henry,

Congrats on starting the journey. Like your neighbor, I've done Lake Placid 24 times and am shooting for 25 this year. Enough about me but I wanted to put my comments in context. The important part is that when my son turned 18, he said "Dad, can I do Lake Placid with you, too?" My answer was an absolute YES. My son did Lake Placid 3 more years while in college, so you can do an Ironman at 18, 19, 20... and not suffer long-term consequences. I would echo what a lot of others have written, but I also believe that you should change your goals:

Goal #1 - Finish
Goal #2 - Finish
Goal #3 - Finish

As soon as you start talking about how fast you're going to do the course (be it swim, bike or run), you can set your self up for a disappointing day.

My son walked, waddled and almost crawled the first time across the line in 15+ hours. His times dropped significantly down to 11 hours and change, but my recommendation is to only have 1 goal when you start and that is to finish.

I think that you are very smart to do the Cross Country Season but stay away from the outdoor and indoor track seasons. This will allow your body to recover and then you can cross train without getting injuries.

By the way, my son is now 30 and he still runs marathons and has run a couple of ultras. You can do it but just be careful of the injury bug.

Look forward to having a Slowtwitch reunion in Lake Placid in July.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [candyman] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you for the advice, I would have to agree with you that my goal should just be to finish.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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DFW_Tri wrote:
Henry Schultz wrote:
Its too late actually I already signed up


You may be able to do this but Why is it too late to not race just because you signed up?

The race costs about a grand. Given his training, I'm guessing is Dad paid for the race as i doubt he has a job. Seems like he's committed.

To the OP. Just don't over-cook yourself early on so you can ensure you finish. Even if walking it in. 17 hour finish is better than a DNF which is better than a DNS once you pay.....
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I had a job over the summer and I payed for the race
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I doubt it will be easy no matter how much I train, but I appreciate your advice and everyone else who think I can do it. On these 7+ hour days should I be doing them continuously or with a short break to eat and stuff (around an hour or so maybe) in between. Also I'm still in school obviously so doing anything over 4-5 hours isn't really possible on week days because my school doesn't get out until after 3pm. Right now I usually swim before school and then bike and/or run after school.
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Don't listen to all these people who have less adventerous spirits than you do. It is only an Ironman. All these old guys like to tell young people they CAN'T do something. Well I think you CAN and can do well.

When I was 18 I packed up my bike, loaded it up with camping gear and and saddle bags, jetted off to Germany, and biked south through Switzerland and the French alps doing a 2500 km loop in 21 days. Most days that I rode I did 160km because I was in France around the time of the Tour de France and that was a "short stage" so I figured if the pros can do that every day, i should too. This was in 1984 before there was any internet to read anything. i just picked up some cycling magazines and read what the pros were doing and figured it can't be that bad. Before that I barely biked in my life other than my parents would not drive me to soccer and baseball games so I got around on a beater bike,

I was on my high school track team and practices were 90 min (not continuous) and i . After I came back from that bike tour after 1 month of running I ran my first marathon. It was awesome until it was not. Went through 10km, 20km, 30km at 45, 90 and 2:15 respectively and it just felt easy, until I broke down walking from 32 to 37 km then I realized I was a 3:20 and could get the 'silver medal' if i ran faster and got coke at the side of the road from a spectator and suddenly had legs to run 5km in 20min....then realized the finish line was 200m further and just lost it and walked it in at 3:43. I said I would never do that again !!!

The longest run in my life 8 days out before that marathon was 10km or whatever I ran in an overtime soccer game. Weekend before marathon ran 15km and felt if I could do that and could do back to back 200km biking days, then a full marathon would not be that hard (well it wasn't until it was).

I told myself I would never do a marathon, and next year I did a super hilly and hot half Ironman . I crossed the finish line of that and said, I would never do that again too. That half Ironman was in Brattleboro Vermont (if any of the old timers are around you know how hard it was and I went 4:54). All of this was just on youth and general fitness doing team sports, track, lifting weights etc

I am 58 now. On the other side of those adventures, and have done 25 open marathons, 31 Ironmans and still do olympic, halfs and swim races.

I think in the time of my youth, we did not overthink it. We just figured it out as we went, because there was not information out there. Just put one foot in front of each other, hammer your buddies, and blow up trying, get up the next day and repeat it over and over and over. I remember one of my rides with a friend and he said he read that Eddy Merckx did 200km per day on a bottle of water and banana, so that was what he was going to do. The problem was we decided to throw in a 4km swim in a lake in the middle with no wetsuits. I had 4 granola bars and a stopped for a few bottles of coke (you could not get Gatorade in stores that easily). In any case around 192km into the ride (incluive of a 4km swim), my buddy was so low on blood sugar, he almost crashed into a guard rail on a bridge over a river and luckily bounced off and did not fall over (YIKES). We literally had zero training information and just read legends in magazines and figured they must be good ideas.

Unlike us you have the strength of youth (which we had) but you have information, so you can do this safely.

In any case for you 1 hrs swim, 5.5 hrs ride, 30 min run days, I want you to do them on a weekend but without stopping. The reason is you are a 55 kilo male athlete, and I have found that super lightweight lean guys don't do that well at Ironman relative to their FTP W/kilo and their 10km speed, and I suspect this is due to not enough built in storage on the body for a 10 hrs day, so you have to race at a low enough threshold that you are fat burning (like 3W per kilo bike pace) and and figuring out how to absorb sugar and salt through your gut while you heart rate is moderately elevated. Anyone can digest a turkey dinner sitting down, but putting say 1500 calories through your body in roughly 5:15 on the IMLP course which you should be able to do easily at your FTP is the hard part.

I've personally raced IMLP 12 times so kind of know the lay of the land. Your lightness will help big time. So will your youth until it doesn't. The key is going to be to race in fat burning mode, and taking in enough calories on the bike and run part 1 so you can race the final 21km of that run.

If you swim every morning and bike/run evenings on weekdays, you have plenty of training to do an Ironman with one long workout on the weekend. Keep swimming a lot. Every strong Ironman athlete has a big swim background. You just can't replicate the volumexintensity in the other sports during this formative period in your life. I wish I was put in a swim program by my parents, but we did not have the means for that.
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I was thinking about joining the highschool swim team next year, because its too late now. I picked up a used road bike for $80 and fixed it up with my friend, but do you think I should try and get a better bike? It's a pretty old jamis satelite, but it has a carbon fork. I'm trying to gain weight, but it's pretty hard with how much I'm exercising.
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Henry Schultz wrote:
I was thinking about joining the highschool swim team next year, because its too late now. I picked up a used road bike for $80 and fixed it up with my friend, but do you think I should try and get a better bike? It's a pretty old jamis satelite, but it has a carbon fork. I'm trying to gain weight, but it's pretty hard with how much I'm exercising.

I’d definitely try to get a tri bike if you can swing it, and a bike fit.

Let food be thy medicine...
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I was thinking about joining the highschool swim team next year, because its too late now. I picked up a used road bike for $80 and fixed it up with my friend, but do you think I should try and get a better bike? It's a pretty old jamis satelite, but it has a carbon fork. I'm trying to gain weight, but it's pretty hard with how much I'm exercising.

Try to get a carbon fiber bike and if it is a road bike, put aero bars on it. Ride as much as you possibly can. Get comfortable staying in aero for long periods of time.

https://www.strava.com/...tes/zachary_mckinney
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There is a tt bike shop near me so I can get the right fit, but I can't really get a tri bike right now since I used most of my money to sign up for the race. I was looking to see if there were any used bikes that were more affordable, but I didn't really see any good options, plus I don't know a ton about bikes.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [plant_based] [ In reply to ]
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I'm trying to ride as much as I can. Is 15 hours of riiding per week enough? Also, let me know if you know anyone selling used tri bikes
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Put some clip-on aerobars on the Jamis and ride the hell out of it. Maybe have someone look to give you best fit possible on the road bike/aerobar setup. Don't forget about hydration/nutrition on the bike - bottle cages (downtube, seat tube, behind the seat xlab setup, etc) Top tube bento box for gels, bars, etc. Also, for race day - make sure to carry 2 spare tubes, pump and/or CO2 system, allen keys, etc to tighten any loose bolts)

Bike and run - don't forget about electrolytes (fluids, capsules/tabs) especially if its warmish/hot on race day. Run - go with a race belt that has a pouch (electrolytes, gels, Aleve, Tums, anti-chafe) that you can attach your race number to.

Lake Placid course - if you're within driving distance (even for a weekend training commitment), ride as much of the course as you can. Same goes for the run course.

Swim - get a triathlon wetsuit cheap off of eBay or Craigslist. You will save tons of energy on the swim. If you get a wetsuit, train with it to get the feel. Do not have race day be your first experience - it will go badly!

Lastly, as others have mentioned - key workout: 'the brick'. Which is bike/run - long ride immediately followed by longish run. (practicing your hydration/nutrition)

You're young, fit, committed, and putting in the hours. You can do this!

tinman
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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I am a bit suspicious, over the years on here there were various troll posts from "new users" asking sort of loaded questions....not sure what their intent was.

I'm very happy to be proven wrong and will come back on here with my 2c, you could evaluate whether it's worth anything.

Maurice
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [mauricemaher] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not really sure what you are insinuating, but I can assure you that I'm not trolling.
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So “long term” athlete development was a huge hotbed topic over the last few years within usat. I was part of a group that helped with guidance etc.

I actually wouldn’t suggest “training plan” training for the next year. I would just show up on race day and do it. Suffer like hell, suffer afterwards but in terms of likelier healthier path. I would wonder all the training you *need* to do to be “prepared” for IM distance is worse on your body and mental wel being than just showing up 1 time and “doing it”.


Eta: I wouldn’t advise it ever. But if your telling me what’s going to be worse for long term development and or mental anguish- I would think the training you need would be “worse” than just showing up and doing 1 long day.

Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
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Do a swim/bike heavy training program and just deal with the run/walk on race day.

It is far better to "suffer" on the run than on the bike as you can always just walk and socialize your way to the finish line.

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I would be exercising the same amount even if I weren't going to do this race just because it's fun and a way to spend time with my friends, so I feel like it's not that big of a deal.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [ThailandUltras] [ In reply to ]
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I'm have a lot of fun running, so I'm still planning to run quite a bit, but I definitely agree that I need to bike more.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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A “training plan” as a 17 year old is going to get old really fast. Talking about the fun you have with your friends sorta proves my point. Just do that. Screw worrying about hitting specific training metrics/volumes. The less “plan” you have to follow the better the overall experience will be imo.

Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
-USAT Level II
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I agree, I wouldn't want to do a training plan. I'm just having fun with the training, but I also want to be prepared for race day. Thankfully my idea of fun is running, biking, and swimming.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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I have posted this before. Go out and have fun. The girls will love it.
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Well I'm definitley not going to waste all the money I spent to sign up for the race by not training, plus, training is the main thing I do for fun.

Also, I'm pretty sure lake placid is a lot hillier that texas
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Thanks for the video. I do find it funny he titles it-"I did an Ironman without training". Then he states at the end of the video how he "worked so hard" for the race.
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littlefoot wrote:
Thanks for the video. I do find it funny he titles it-"I did an Ironman without training". Then he states at the end of the video how he "worked so hard" for the race.

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Yeah,he gets called out in the comments for that.
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There are a bunch of "I did an (insert event) without training" videos on YouTube. My favourite guy is this dude who goes out and does all these stupid challenges for his channel. He is highly entertaining and I wonder how he gets the time and money to do all this stuff.

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I would be exercising the same amount even if I weren't going to do this race just because it's fun and a way to spend time with my friends, so I feel like it's not that big of a deal.

This is a thing to consider. I think it's great you have your friends to train with and I wish more people could learn to enjoy the sport more. That being said what is the nature of your training sessions with them?

I remember being your age and the competitive edge was alive and well. Are you all training at the same pace? It seems like youre the one with the big goal ahead so naturally the group needs to cater to your training goals.

Its easy to get sucked into training too fast for too long with group sessions especially younger athletes who may just have the natural desire/tendency to throttle up. This could be disastrous for you. Remember the majority of issues that plague endurance athletes are cumulative in nature. Meaning you wont know it until its too late and it can derail you.

Or perhaps you are all very disciplined and will be able to be comfortable at low effort sub-threshold work for the majority of the week. I hope thats the case.

I think a large part of the advice we can provide for athletes in you position is the common pitfalls to avoid and highlighting common areas to pay special attention. You have youth on your side and often the biggest issue is not the fitness but the rest of the things that can derail you on the journey.

First timer, nutrition, training partners, sleep, too much speed to frequently for the base, ramping up too quickly, managing expectations, etc.

I always want to see other athletes succeed but also want to see them stay healthy and reach their goals. Of course I also know what its like to be 18 and think I know everything or let my youth/vigor cloud the very real possibility of injury. I also work in sports rehab and have seen my share of youth adolescent injuries skyrocket especially with runners.


If youre gonna do this you need to eat more, sleep more, and be comfortable not working too hard during the bulk of your training.

For bikes and equipment theres an entire classifieds forum here and social media is your friend. Facebook has groups dedicated to seeling cycling and tri gear.
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I ran my first marathon at 18 and one month. I did two that year. I started training in December for a May race. I was up to an 18 long run in March, and then bombed at track practice the next week. My coach had heard what I was doing, and told me no more 18’s. I probably didn’t do more than 12 the next two months and walked most the last 5 miles to a 4:02. I was more like a 1:25 half runner then. So I would tell you if massive training is on tap you can’t be a good high school runner at the same time. That’s why full course athletes (other than the Norwegians) don’t race in the Olympics.

I am in the camp of don’t do it, but you got to to a sprint as soon as you can. You don’t want to find out after all that hard work and expense you panic on the swim and your day is over. You have to know what it’s like going form the bike to run. Since you’re a good athlete, you should do it right, and not make it your first race. your not just a guy checking off the bucket list who is one and done (if you like it). I’m not saying do a 70.3, but do a sprint/olympic or two ahead of time. If nothing else you can make transition mistakes and learn what you need for the goal race to go smoothly.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [SilentHunter] [ In reply to ]
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Ok I'll look to see if there are any in my area.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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My son was on the XC team in high school with Sam Long and I head he was running IM Boulder in 2015. With dozens of Tri's and 5-6 IM's under my belt, I would sometimes drop a training tip or two when I saw him ( I was running it that year also)...he ended up beating my by ~ 90 minutes and finished top-10 overall!

You should be fine to run the race - as a teen you have recovery abilities all the boomers here can only dream of. :-)

I always tell new racers the most important thing is to get to T2 feeling strong. Then, take it mellow the first part of the marathon. It feels great to be running smooth on the last 10k while so many others are walking/cramping/suffering.

Good luck!

" I take my gear out of my car and put my bike together. Tourists and locals are watching from sidewalk cafes. Non-racers. The emptiness of of their lives shocks me. "
(opening lines from Tim Krabbe's The Rider , 1978
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TriDevilDog wrote:

I always tell new racers the most important thing is to get to T2 feeling strong. Then, take it mellow the first part of the marathon. It feels great to be running smooth on the last 10k while so many others are walking/cramping/suffering.

Can't emphasize that enough! There's a bonus fitness level that gets unlocked when you feel strong and people in front of you are dropping like flies. And the inverse is also true. There's nothing that makes you slow down more than struggling and having people pass you with ease.

Make it easy until the last 20k.
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I didn't have school today, so I tried running after a bike ride and even 7:00/mile felt pretty tough after like half an hour of running.

I might not have fueled enough during the bike ride though so I could have just been hungry/dehydrated.

If thats not the case though, I feel like it would be hard to feel good second half even if I run kind of slow. How fast do you think I should be running the first half? I did a half at like 5:58/mile, and I know that doesn't really translate to the marathon in an Ironman, so I'm not sure.
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Henry Schultz wrote:
I didn't have school today, so I tried running after a bike ride and even 7:00/mile felt pretty tough after like half an hour of running.

I might not have fueled enough during the bike ride though so I could have just been hungry/dehydrated

How long was the bike ride? How long did it take you? What did you eat/drink while on the bike?

How far did you run? How long did it take you? What did you eat/drink while you ran?

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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I didn't have too much homework so it was like 100 miles and it took me 4 hours 39 minutes with an additional 6 minutes of stoppage to use the bathroom and refill water. I ate like 2 cliff bars and some trail mix and had some electrolyte water.

I went straight into the run where it was only 30 minutes (because I was getting kind of hungry) and I drank a little water during the transition and ate half a cliff bar. I ran at about 7 minutes per mile so a little over 4 miles
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I didn't have too much homework so it was like 100 miles and it took me 4 hours 39 minutes with an additional 6 minutes of stoppage to use the bathroom and refill water. I ate like 2 cliff bars and some trail mix and had some electrolyte water.

I went straight into the run where it was only 30 minutes (because I was getting kind of hungry) and I drank a little water during the transition and ate half a cliff bar. I ran at about 7 minutes per mile so a little over 4 miles

I cannot reiterate my earlier point enough that you need to learn to throttle back.

You're five months out from a massive race that you've never trained for and you're already putting yourself behind the proverbial 8 ball with 100 mile rides that you're not prepared for (pacing and nutrition). These are the kinds of things that will set you up for failure.

You need to read some books or you need to pay for a coach. Either way you need some direction before you continue your training. You need to nail your nutrition and hydration. I don't want to see you get hurt or trash your race.

Do you have any files you can link to for these rides and runs?
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Yeeper] [ In reply to ]
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You can follow me on strava if you have it. My strava name is Henry Schultz
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Yeeper] [ In reply to ]
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Is it bad to ride 100 miles? Also I don’t post everything on strava but there’s still a majority of my training on there
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Henry Schultz wrote:
You can follow me on strava if you have it. My strava name is Henry Schultz

I'm not on Strava unfortunately.

I won't perseverate on what I've already said if you're not looking for those contributions. Good luck with the race and I hope you get your medal.

Cheers
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I agree with you that there is a lot I need to learn with training and nutrition. That is why I posted here. I tried to keep the ride at a fairly low intensity, like other people here have told me. I really don't know how fast I should be going or how much I should be eating, and I encourage anyone reading this to give me some advice based on their experiences.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Back in the "old days' fathers would "punish" their children when they found them smoking or drinking underage by making them smoke a pack of cigs or drink til they puked.

I'm starting to realize, the race day IM is going to be your "punishment" at this rate. But you have time, and your young so you'll bounce back quickly whether the day goes great or the day goes to hell in a hand basket.

#youthmovement

Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
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I'm not really sure what you mean. I see this race a reward and an opportunity to have a cool and fun adventure. I'm grateful that I'm able to sign up for something like this and I'm interested in finding the limits of my body.
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What I'm saying is, if your going to go train and underfuel yourself in the process of said training, your going to have one hell of a long/hard day.

Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
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I'm used to running without fueling, but I understand that I'll have to fuel during the marathon. I usually don't eat anything before my long runs in the morning and don't eat or drink anything during them.
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This is why it’s generally a “bad idea” for a youth your age to attempt this. You have to fuel every long session whether the bike or run (1 bar an hour would be "base" level numbers ~250...yes it could be less / could be more but I would give that as a general guide to accomplish) You were imo very under nutritioned on the bike along with the “effort” you likely did. Now maybe 21+ mph for that long is a walk in the park pace on the bike.

You are going to be in for “fun” day. That’s why I’ve said imo it’s better for you to just show up and do it then to have to “properly” train for it because imo that’s more taking a toll on you then just doing 1 long day “untrained” for. That’s an “adventure” that you can blame on youth.

What you’re going to end up doing is just hating it. That’s easy to see with how strong of an athlete you are.

Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
-USAT Level II
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Henry Schultz wrote:
I didn't have too much homework so it was like 100 miles and it took me 4 hours 39 minutes with an additional 6 minutes of stoppage to use the bathroom and refill water. I ate like 2 cliff bars and some trail mix and had some electrolyte water.

I went straight into the run where it was only 30 minutes (because I was getting kind of hungry) and I drank a little water during the transition and ate half a cliff bar. I ran at about 7 minutes per mile so a little over 4 miles

So you burned over 3000 calories, consumed about 700, and are having trouble gaining weight. I advise that you stop ditching math class.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [skip] [ In reply to ]
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I ate over 2000 calories right after and probably another 2000 for dinner.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Well hypothetically speaking, how would I go about training properly?
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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The IM training demands are far more of a impact on a youth's body than the actual "long" race day. Thus why I've said, the best thing for you long term is to just be a 17 year old kid and then just race it on race day (whether you are "ready" for it or not).

Thus the information I'm trying to give you is guidance. Again it's why I said the best thing you can do is stick to your 1 hour of swimming, ride your bike however you ride it, running your low mileage halfs or whatever run training you do (you clearly have talent) and then just show up on race day....if it turns into a "sufferfest" so be it becuase you aren't "trained up for it". That's the dangerous part imo for long term physical and mental health.

And that's why people are against it- You can easily show up next week and do an IM. Doing an 140mile event with your fitness, your going to accomplish your goal; you can walk the damn marathon if you need too. But if you think you can "train up for it" in the next 6 months to nail some secret fast goal time- that is going to be the dangerous part imo that creates issues. So it's not the actual race that is the issue; it's the training and imo you'll be hard to find a coach who would tell you otherwise.


Go be a 17 year old kid, don't have to skip hanging with your firends cus your "training plan" calls for an 8 hour brick sessions, etc.

Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
-USAT Level II
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Henry Schultz wrote:
I agree with you that there is a lot I need to learn with training and nutrition. That is why I posted here. I tried to keep the ride at a fairly low intensity, like other people here have told me. I really don't know how fast I should be going or how much I should be eating, and I encourage anyone reading this to give me some advice based on their experiences.

IM training for most beginners is about effort and not speed or pace. You should be focusing on doing the majority of your training at a pace where you feel like you should be going faster. The same will go for the race itself. For now its about putting the hours in at lower intensities.

I've no idea what you are actually doing. You say you bike 20 miles a day and then all of a sudden throw a 100 miler in. You also say you biked up to 8 hours over the summer. It is very difficult to get an idea of your consistency and that is also important. Also safely ramping up your volume depends on what you've actually been doing the last X weeks. It's ineffective and also risky to ping pong all over the place week to week.

Can you upload your training file here for today's bike ride?

B Doughtie is giving you some sound advice and I agree with him. The training is where the issues will arise. I alluded to this earlier but Im quite familiar with the cumulative stress pitfalls because I'm on the other end of it diagnosing and rehabbing or giving the bad news. Most notably with beginners who ramp up mileage too quickly, implement far too much intensity too frequently, don't sleep, and don't eat enough. The strength training is a whole other ball game that I don't think we have time for here.

You need to start taking in calories while youre training. On race day you cannot wait until the run to start. You cannot make up for lost time and you also can't overload your GI system. Not to mention your ability to digest and intake calories is far better on the bike.

You have mentioned your paces and speed here multiple times but I want to reiterate that focusing on pace will be a big risk. And its a hard pill to swallow for a lot of newer triathletes. You should get used to effort-based training for now.

You have been given a lot of feedback on this thread. Including some recurring themes. I don't mean to sound like a prick (though I know I might) but I'd like to see you put in some leg work right now rather than expect us to do this for you. There is no shortage of threads on this forum for training, nutrition, hydration, recovery, pacing, etc.

Rather than say "give me your advice on what I should do" I'd like to see you give us some specifics with your training (so we have an actual idea of what youre doing) and then find specific questions based on what you've read. "The search function is your friend" now that you've gotten some sound advice from a few people.

Its exciting and I've done Placid twice.
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This training plan seems like a lot less than what I normally do with my friends just for fun. Should I really be decreasing volume by that much?

You can use the plan as "key sessions" and add some easy stuff here and there to increase the total amount of training. For example you can add either a 90' easy ride or a 60' easy swim on a hard running day
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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I hang out with my friends by swimming, biking, or running with them though.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Yeeper] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not sure how to upload the file for the bike ride. I tried to attach a picture of the ride but I'm not sure if I did it right.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not trying to brag or anything, but I don't feel tired or sore at all after the run and ride yesterday. Is this normal? I got like 10 hours of sleep and ate a lot of food so I knew I would recover well, but I thought that I would be at least slightly tired/sore? I know this sounds counterintuitive, but could this be a sign of overtraining that I don't feel any fatigue?
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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I'm trying to just have fun with my training, and not do anything too structured. I don't have a goal in terms of time, especially since I heard lake placid is a pretty tough course. I just hope I can finish the race (hopefully without walking too much). My neighbor said that for his first one, he would walk for like 20-30 seconds at each rest stop during the marathon so he could fuel and pace properly. Would this be a good strategy for me?
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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You’re a solid athlete. You’re going to accomplish your goal. Whether you run/walk whether you go sub 10, 12 / 14 hours you’ll get there.

Run/walk is genrerally a very good idea for most “finishers” as the chances of you being fit enough to run the whole thing is going to be low (that’s not meant to be an insult).

Looking forward to hearing how it goes! Hopefully you around in 5 years to tell us this is what inspired you falling in love w the sport vs being an “one and done”.

The collegiate club tri scene is on point right now in the US. Depending on what uni you go to (if you are going to college), that can be your next fun adventure. Hell with your swim background draft legal collegiate club could be very successful for you (in addition to Olympic non draft). At collegiate club it's much more of a fun format and even though many of the top teams have "pro's" as their athletes, 80% is just random college kids. MTR is also a fun format at the collegiate level.

Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
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he would walk for like 20-30 seconds at each rest stop during the marathon so he could fuel and pace properly. Would this be a good strategy for me?

this is a good strategy even for the best ones; possibly the only one that actually works, at least for me
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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I saw your post regarding your 100 mile bike and short run. That's impressive, but I will also clarify you really need to work on your fueling plan. If you are mentally prepared and feel you are physically ready, your body won't work the way you want or expect if you are not fueled right. Regardless if you train enough.

You also need to be prepared for how Lake Placid is bipolar with weather. Some years it is super cold and rainy, other years it is hot.

Work on getting your nutrition right-or at least better so that you are good on race day.

I'm looking forward to your race report.

I also will again stress you need to find some other races to do prior. Find a Sprint or an olympic to do, as well as a 70.3 You will want to have that race under your belt prior to the full.

Where do you live?
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [mikeridesbikes] [ In reply to ]
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I'm going to strongly disagree with everyone saying not to do it. Dude, you only are 18 once, if this is exciting and motivating, 1000% go for it! That said, they are right that you could injure yourself or hurt development, so you do have to be smart in the buildup.

Running a 1:19 half is faster than 95% of the entrants will ever be able to run, so you're well ahead of the field and likely have a decent aerobic base (especially in running). The biggest thing is to build up endurance especially on the bike, as LP is one of the harder and slower bike courses amongst all races. You'll want to build up the volume on the bike a ton from the 20 mile you said that you're doing now. Consistency is far more important than big rides, so try to ride 4-5 days per week. Include one weekend long ride where you GRADUALLY work up to a 5-6 hour ride a month or 2 out from the race. As you're building, keep most of the rides especially the long ride easy. Given the course, once you have more volume build up, dedicate maybe 1 ride per week into some hill/strength work, but don't kill yourself there, just to build resilience in the legs.

Like others have said, make sure you listen to our body as your building up. If you're tired and sore, take a day off training and go for a walk, or kick/throw a ball with friends. Remember to keep this fun, an IM requires a lot of volume and to enjoy the sport you have to keep it enjoyable, especially as you're getting into it. Try to find others to run (probably from your school team, see if you can do a couple swims with your swim team too) and ride with near you.

I'm racing LP myself with a goal/dream of being top 3 amateur, in my late 20s now and been serious in the sport since I graduated college where I first got into it, so feel free to hit me up with any questions or if I can help at all. Would love to meet there too, it's super cool to get younger folks like yourself into and motivated about long course tri. Good luck!

I am with you, if he wants to do it, he should do it.

Is it really more dangerous than playing football where kids can get life altering injuries. Or high school wrestlers losing weight at a time when they should be growing.

Personally, I think your time would be better spent chasing girls.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [imsparticus] [ In reply to ]
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Is it really more dangerous than playing football where kids can get life altering injuries. Or high school wrestlers losing weight at a time when they should be growing.

I think there’s quite strong opinions on those two things as well. I know I find the “making weight” thing extremely unhealthy and unnecessary.

Also to reiterate that a lot of the advice in this thread is to not do it unplanned and unprepared.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [littlefoot] [ In reply to ]
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In Rhode Island
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Ok I browsed through the replies. Here are my takeaways and advice for you.....

1) Bike fit is KEY. Take your bike, see if you can visit a reputable fitter (someone NOT affiliated with a bike shop) and get set up on your bike. Even add aerobars,. Lake Placid may be hilly but there are very very long stretches where aero is your friend. It will cost you $300 or so, but it will be a better spend than blindly buying another bike.

2) If your goal is anything more than "finish" for fun -- you need to follow a program. Going out and randomly gut busting out 100 milers whre you aren't fueling properly is not giving you the structured training you need and is going to put you at risk for injury. Any training cycle requires a build towards the race. Based on what you said you are doing right now, I think you are likely a little ahead of where some would be starting out their training.

3) Riding.....
- You asked "is 15 hours riding enough" - uh, for non-professional triathletes, many max out at 15 hours training TOTAL between all three disciplines let alone biking while managing full time work and other things. I would imagine you'd actually top out at something like 10 hours riding a week over three - four rides. These rides would be:
(a) up to 90 min HARD zone 4 workout (where you will spend up to about 2/3 max of the time in zone 4, otherwise spending time in warmup/rest periods and cool down)
(b) 60-90 minute Zone 3 or 4 workout (where you'll spend like 1/3 of the time in zone 3 or 4, otherwise rest is warmup/rest/cooldown)
(c) 60 minutes Zone 2 ride (optional)
(d) up to 5-6 hour long ride with majority in zone 2 (including efforts in zone 3)

4) Running- you are a strong runner, but you don't need to do the mileage for running that you would do for a "running only" event. You can run 4-5 days a week and manage just fine (remember all the cycling you will do and swimming).
Your runs would include....
(a) hard tempo efforts (probably like 1 hour up to 90 min)
(b) short zone 2 run off the bike (25min)
(c) ~60 min zone 2
(d) short zone 2 run off your long bike (25 min)
(e) long run
(f) - optional additional zone 2 short run

5) Swimming- if you have time to swim 5 days a week, that's good. But to be honest, not necessary. I would think if you can get in the pool 3 days a week it's fine. But just loping along isn't really beneficial. Just like the other disciplines, doing different speeds is important to build your strength.

6) NUTRITION. Your comment about riding almost 5 hours and all you ate was 2 cliff bars and some trail mix..... this is pretty much a recipe for disaster in long distance racing. You should be aiming for something like 300 or more calories an HOUR on the bike, aiming to try and get like 80+ grams of carbohydrates (minimum, more if your gut can handle it). Waiting to fuel afterwards is the wrong choice. The idea is to eat continuously on the bike and not wait until you feel hungry. (Your 2 clif bars + trail mix MAYBE totaled 300 calories, which is about 700-1000 calories short for that one ride).

I recommend you try and see if you can either purchase a full distance training program, hire a coach, or download a free one. There are free ones out there, but having a coach that will personalize is really helpful. For my first ironman, I used Mark Allen's online coaching. I now have a personal coach and prefer it. But be prepared to listen to them and don't go freestyling. ;)
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [mtrichick] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you so much for your reply. I'm planning on seeing someone for bike fit this week. I struggle to get past zone 2 on the bike sometimes, which I think is because my heart is stronger than my legs. I've talked to my neighbor about training, and I might be able to sit down with him and create a training plan, but he said that right now I should just be doing super low intensity stuff for the next few weeks before I start workouts. Do you think I would still be able to run a decent time in a 3k/2mile at the start of June? It would be cool to go sub 9 in the 3k, as I was quite close before. This is definitely secondary, an I'm just wondering more if it would be possible with the training I would be doing, not that I'm planning to train for it specifically. I'm planning to get some of the nutrition stuff that's provided at Lake Placid and train using that, but I just haven't gotten it yet.
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If you are swimming 5 days per week in the morning and bike or run or a bike/run after school on weekdays and if you go for a 60 min swim +3-5 hrs ride + 30 min run every weekend take Saturday off and get 56 hrs of sleep, you will be just fine. On your long swim-bike-run days, take in one bottle of Gatorade and half an energy bar per hour, and in the bottle of gatorade add a half teaspoon of salt. Its going to taste salty, but that is fine. Now based on that you will be around 250 cals per hour enough liquid and enough salt to do this thing.

Everyone is overcomplicating this. Ironman is not that tough if you are healthy and athletic. If you do enough frequent training, a long workout per weekend, get sleep and learn how to fuel and dial back pace on race day, as long as you're just trying to cruise through you will be fine. If the pace feel too easy until mile 130 that's fine, dial back and go easier. As my friend Patrick McCrann said, "if you undercook the first 130.6 miles, you get a 10 mile drag race running race to MAKE up for taking it too easy". I don't think any of us has ever witnessed an age group who did that fast final 10 miles and regretted pacing the first 130.6 "mistake"

If you get 10 hrs of training in on weekdays and 4-6 hrs on Sunday, this is plenty of prep. I would skip two of those ten weekday workouts and just make Saturday a steady 80-100 min run day and nap as much of the day as you can and catch up on school work.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Wait you're friends with Patrick McCrann? That's crazy actually that you mentioned him. I was thinking about asking him for some advice.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Also, my long runs are about 2 hours usually (easy pace=16miles moderate pace=18miles). Should I extend these and slow down a little or just keep them the same. I usually do one every week or two, depending on my long ride and the weather (Also how much homework I have).
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Feel free to send me a private message. I can email you some more specifics. I’ve been doing this for longer than you’ve been alive (LOL, first Ironman in 2005) and am happy to share some more detailed advice. I have a coach myself and had my best year last year.

I’m a ‘low mileage ‘ runner because I tend to be injury prone and I’ve been very successful at Ironman with a max run of 16 miles.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [mtrichick] [ In reply to ]
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I don't tend to be injury prone, but I messaged you about more details.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Henry Schultz wrote:
Also, my long runs are about 2 hours usually (easy pace=16miles moderate pace=18miles). Should I extend these and slow down a little or just keep them the same. I usually do one every week or two, depending on my long ride and the weather (Also how much homework I have).

2 hrs 18 miles is too fast because that is a 1:24 half marathon pace and your PB is 1:19. You need to run waaay slower and you don't really have to run 2 hrs NOW. It is Feb, not May. 90 min, 10-11 miles is plenty right now. You should be running at 8 min miles for all your volume running not 7 and certainly not 6. If you average 8 min miles in the Ironman, that is 3:30 age grouper hero status. Only something like 4% of the field in most local Ironmans run that fast. Slow your run pace down, and cut back on long runs NOW. You can get back up to 2 hrs runs (which is plenty) in May. Keep in mind that run training is only important if you want to get on an age group podium/KQ. If you want a steady finish, swim and bike is more imporant and enough running to jog your way to 16 miles without walking. Run training is only important for those racing the final 10 miles which as I mentioned is 4% of the field.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Do you think I should train running at all then?
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Henry Schultz wrote:
Do you think I should train running at all then?

Yes you should train running, but you don't have to do a lot of hard runs or long runs. Just a lot of base volume at your jogging pace which should be around 8 min miles. Save the energy for swim and bike training
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Do you think it's possible to run a sub 9 3k with this training? I ran low 9s last year off of around 40 miles per week.
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Henry Schultz wrote:
Do you think it's possible to run a sub 9 3k with this training? I ran low 9s last year off of around 40 miles per week.

That's depend on you, actually, but you're never going to run at your full potential during ironman preparation. You can run a 3k for sure, but I wouldn't set any time goal, possibly
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Ironman & a 3k are completely different ends of the spectrum.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Henry Schultz wrote:
Do you think it's possible to run a sub 9 3k with this training? I ran low 9s last year off of around 40 miles per week.

Anything Is Possible, Reimagine Your Limits, and Reach For The Sky!
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [SwizBeats] [ In reply to ]
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I appreciate your confidence in me, but I know that they are pretty much opposite ends of the spectrum so the 3k will probably come down mostly to how talented I am.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [dcpinsonn] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah I've realised that now
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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You’ve communicated what you’re doing with your track coach all the “extra” training you’re going to be doing, yes?

Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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No, I'm not doing indoor so I can train on my own.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not a coach, and have no coaching qualifications, I am however, a very successful self coached age group triathlete, ultra runner and ultra cyclist. In this sport, you will be assaulted with psudo science and some questionable coaching advice. People will tell you that you need all sorts of kit, which is actually unnecessary (I have wasted far too much money on junk).


At 17 I had aspirations of being a professional windsurfer, and was already competing at a pretty high level. Around this age, I cycled from London to Bilboa in Spain with my brother (who was part of the GB U18 rowing team), 2 kids with bikes loaded with camping gear, passing pelotons of serious riders in the Pyrenees. Who says a young guy can't do endurance sports.

I agree with everyone who says don't set a target time, your first IM will be a learning experience, however, I suspect you could do a really fast time, but it's simply not worth putting the pressure on yourself.

You should consider riding on Zwift, doing some of the long distance races, 180km+, will be an eye openner, a big advantage to racing long on Zwift is that you can really nail your nutrition. Learning nutrition while riding outdoors is much tougher. Then when you have done a long race on Zwift, go for a 5 miles run at race pace - lets say 8mins/mile. Then do this every week

There's no need to give up a social life.... at least in the US you can't drink until 21, so that shouldn't be an issue (My best ever windsurfing result happened with a collosal hangover, not that I would advocate this technique).

The think that you lack is a base, it takes 4-5 years to really build a solid base, you are probably somewhere along the journey already, but only have 6 months, so really focus on base building, no smashing out sessions, no building ftp (yours is fine), just tons of going long in Zone 2 while fueling.

Your biggest challenge will be pacing, you'll start the bike way too fast, forget to fuel (because your body tells you that it doesn't want any), then you'll bonk hard on the run - being young, your body is not as effective at processing fat as an old guy like me. You are already way faster than you need to be, so really focus on going long and slow and fuel, fuel, fuel.

Once you have a race under your belt, you can look back at what went well, what didn't and start to focus on specific aspects.

Since I have no qualifications, I will not be offended if you ignore me. At least for me learning was a big part of the fun, and I ignored many people, some of whom I should have listened to
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [mattsurf] [ In reply to ]
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mattsurf wrote:

You should consider riding on Zwift, doing some of the long distance races, 180km+, will be an eye openner, a big advantage to racing long on Zwift is that you can really nail your nutrition. Learning nutrition while riding outdoors is much tougher. Then when you have done a long race on Zwift, go for a 5 miles run at race pace - lets say 8mins/mile. Then do this every week

Rouvy over zwift for solo, non power focused rides. Zwift over estimates distance done, rouvy more realistic.. assuming you use a smart trainer
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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synthetic wrote:
mattsurf wrote:


You should consider riding on Zwift, doing some of the long distance races, 180km+, will be an eye openner, a big advantage to racing long on Zwift is that you can really nail your nutrition. Learning nutrition while riding outdoors is much tougher. Then when you have done a long race on Zwift, go for a 5 miles run at race pace - lets say 8mins/mile. Then do this every week


Rouvy over zwift for solo, non power focused rides. Zwift over estimates distance done, rouvy more realistic.. assuming you use a smart trainer

Zwift isn't that far off since riding is mainly in a big pack, there are very few times when you ride in such a big pack IRL. When using Zwift, I consider time and power as most important factors, distance isn't too relevant. I do a race most sundays, which is around 100-110 km, it always takes 2h20m +/- a couple of minutes, so is representative of a 70.3 in terms of time, but is about 15% higher in terms of intensity
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Alright - I’m in to follow this. I’ll be there racing this year as well. Assuming everything said is true, you’ve got incredible talent. But it’s a long day, and the bike course, while there’s no huge climbs is unforgiving on your run. A sub-10 would be an absolute unicorn of a day for me - I’m hoping for more like a 10:30 on a good day.

I’ll throw a follow on Strava too. This seems more like the old school training of the 80’s and 90’s.

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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [mattsurf] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for your reply, I actually returned my indoor trainer because the weather is getting warmer where I'm from so I can bike outside which is a lot more fun. I have a training plan now, so I think that will be helpful for preparation.
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6) NUTRITION. Your comment about riding almost 5 hours and all you ate was 2 cliff bars and some trail mix..... this is pretty much a recipe for disaster in long distance racing. You should be aiming for something like 300 or more calories an HOUR on the bike, aiming to try and get like 80+ grams of carbohydrates (minimum, more if your gut can handle it). Waiting to fuel afterwards is the wrong choice. The idea is to eat continuously on the bike and not wait until you feel hungry. (Your 2 clif bars + trail mix MAYBE totaled 300 calories, which is about 700-1000 calories short for that one ride).
Henry, shoot me an email at alex at saturdaymorning dot fit and I'll get you set up with a VIP account to an app that will tell you how to fuel all your training sessions. USA Triathlon is pushing us out to all the high school tri clubs in the country for free anyway because kids like you need some direct and easy-to-follow guidance.

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Henry, shoot me an email at alex at saturdaymorning dot fit and I'll get you set up with a VIP account to an app that will tell you how to fuel all your training sessions. USA Triathlon is pushing us out to all the high school tri clubs in the country for free anyway because kids like you need some direct and easy-to-follow guidance.

And old kids, like me, need some direction and easy-to-follow guidance. Love the app!

Not a coach. Not a FOP Tri/swimmer/biker/runner. Barely a MOP AGer.
But I'm learning and making progress.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [LEBoyd] [ In reply to ]
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Alright, I'll check it out.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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I'm in the same boat as you bro, but i'm a senior in college, not high school. LP will be my first ever triathlon event, I dove headfirst into training 8 months ago. My goal is really just to finish, but i want to try for under 12 hours. I've heard hell stories about the bike course, so i think i will be taking it slow and steady, for the first lap at least. Also don't want to die on the descent into keene. Good luck man, I'm following this thread. We've got this!
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Henry Schultz] [ In reply to ]
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Any updates on your training? How are things going?
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [AbdullahShaikh] [ In reply to ]
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Coach Patrick from Endurance Nation had a series of youtube videos on Lake Placid, including one on the Keene descent that I still appreciate, 7 years later. Much respect to that guy.

  • Choose a position and don't change. Aerobar or drops, but once you choose, don't change until Keene.
  • Braking while turning is not optimal - the bike doesn't want to turn while slowing - once into the turn, you have to let go and glide.
  • Near the bottom is a steep section with a sweeping right turn, and you can't see too far ahead - you can ride it out with a little faith.
  • Watch out for ejected bottles/kit on the road.
  • Also, it is slower to crash out of the race being a hero than to go whatever is a safe speed for you.


I eventually made Lap 1 without braking, and regret a little touch at the top of lap 2. You got this.
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Re: Ironman Lake Placid in Highschool [Slick_D] [ In reply to ]
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I really appreciate the insight. Been training very hard, a little scared of fighting in the water during the swim but i want to take advantage of the underwater cable. Do you have to be right over it to see it or is the water clear enough that i can keep wide of it?
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