Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [Velocibuddha] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 12:38

Post #151 of 203 (782 views)

Let's see what an editor over at Forbes thinks...

“If you look at the fundamentals of the company, it’s poised to go down a lot more,” Dan Alexander told CNN’s Erin Burnett on Monday. “If you look at the number of users this company has, the amount of revenue that it generates, you know, its valuation should be measured in the hundreds of millions of dollars, at the most. Right now, the public markets are valuing it at 3.5 billion.”
“So that means this stock should fall by at least another 90% before the metrics start to make any amount of sense,” he continued.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [Velocibuddha] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 12:55

Post #152 of 203 (772 views)

Velocibuddha wrote:

Dave -

I think you have the basic gist. But maybe not the details.

A $17.50 put gives you the right to sell at $17.50.

Currently ....
It will costs you $8 20 to buy a Put option, to sell stock at $17.50 in November.

Some possible outcomes:
1) Stock is above $17.50 - you lose the $8.20 you spent.
(You won't use the option to sell the stock for $17.50. You can sell the stock for more than that without using the option).......
$8.20 loss/share

2) Stock is equal $9.30.
You spent $8.20 on the option, you can buy the stock for $9.30 and sell it for $17.50.
Total sale = $17.50
Total cost = $8.20 option + $9.30 for stock
Thus break even is $9.30

3) Stock is $0.
You can buy stock for $O.
You can sell for $17.50
Max Gain = $17.50 - $8.20 (option price)
Max Gain $9.30

One might say, that since the breakeven point is $9.30 - then this is some kind of estimated value.

Actually - percentage losses and percentage gains are not the same (i.e. a 50% loss is the same as a 100% gain).......

In short...
A rational person would believe this stock is very, very likely to be worthless before they would pay $8.20 for that option.

Pretty sure that's what I said, Assuming you do not own the stock today, you will need to buy it in Nov to sell it with the Put, so when I mentioned buying it at Market Rate, thats cause well thats what you will do to sell it with the put.

Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
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Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [Velocibuddha] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 13:00

Post #153 of 203 (759 views)

Velocibuddha wrote:

In short...
A rational person would believe this stock is very, very likely to be worthless before they would pay $8.20 for that option.

And that's the point that is hard to interpret from your Put values, from a glance for a non-options person.

A high sell point for a future put, indicates, the market is saying oh its probably gonna be lower than this, so I want a bunch of guaranteed money to get into this deal.

Opposite, if a Nov $17.50 on DJT were selling for $1 that's because the market see's it as a Free $1 cause almost certainly the stock will be more than that in a few months, so everyone is willing to sell the put and high supply, low demand, price falls.

Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [klehner] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 13:02

Post #154 of 203 (755 views)

Don't know where to see this, anyone have a graph or table, for April, of % drop each day for this stock.. its gotta be brutal, seems like a 10% everyday, but I mean it had to have some days that were at least not 10% drops right. Has it had a positive day, in april.

Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [sosayusall] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 13:11

Post #155 of 203 (738 views)

sosayusall wrote:

On top of the price tanking, etc. something else that is really interesting is the asymmetry of reporting. When the stock of truth social was around $65, trumps increase of net work of 6 billion dollars was on the front page of every single news source.

I havnt really looked, but its not on the front base of any news sources that trump has lost 4 billion dollars in a single week.

He's got a long way to go before reaching Musk-level losses.

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Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [DavHamm] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 13:12

Post #156 of 203 (735 views)

Put it this way...

There is what is known as a Dead Cat Bounce.

DJT has been much less bouncy than most dead cats.

Last edited by: Velocibuddha: Apr 16, 24 13:15

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [DavHamm] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 13:15

Post #157 of 203 (729 views)

DavHamm wrote:

Don't know where to see this, anyone have a graph or table, for April, of % drop each day for this stock.. its gotta be brutal, seems like a 10% everyday, but I mean it had to have some days that were at least not 10% drops right. Has it had a positive day, in april.

One up, two mostly flat, lots of riding the brakes on the downhill

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [DavHamm] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 13:19

Post #158 of 203 (725 views)

DavHamm wrote:

Don't know where to see this, anyone have a graph or table, for April, of % drop each day for this stock.. its gotta be brutal, seems like a 10% everyday, but I mean it had to have some days that were at least not 10% drops right. Has it had a positive day, in april.

Pick your time frame: https://www.google.com/...ote/DJT:NASDAQ?hl=en

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [j p o] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 13:21

Post #159 of 203 (719 views)

Surely news of a streaming capability will send it to the moon: https://www.cnbc.com/...eaming-platform.html

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [J_R] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 13:27

Post #160 of 203 (707 views)

J_R wrote:

Surely news of a streaming capability will send it to the moon: https://www.cnbc.com/...eaming-platform.html

There is NOTHING more exciting than watching a deranged geriatric make up incoherent lies on social media.

It's like watching C-Span when you are black-out drunk!!

Entertainment gold!!

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [J_R] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 13:36

Post #161 of 203 (707 views)

J_R wrote:

Surely news of a streaming capability will send it to the moon: https://www.cnbc.com/...eaming-platform.html

I bet the stock will rebound to record heights if they streamed a reality show based on Devin Nunes' cow.

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [j p o] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 13:43

Post #162 of 203 (699 views)

j p o wrote:

One up, two mostly flat, lots of riding the brakes on the downhill

I don't know, looks more like the Cybertruck accelerator issue than riding the brakes.

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [Sweeney] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 13:45

Post #163 of 203 (696 views)

Sweeney wrote:

sosayusall wrote:

On top of the price tanking, etc. something else that is really interesting is the asymmetry of reporting. When the stock of truth social was around $65, trumps increase of net work of 6 billion dollars was on the front page of every single news source.

I havnt really looked, but its not on the front base of any news sources that trump has lost 4 billion dollars in a single week.

That's the thing with Trump, you can't keep up with all his shit. It's just an endless spew that no one can keep up with.

Like trying to track his lies. While you are writing one down, he's already let 2 or 3 more go. You can't keep up with it.

I'm sometimes amazed at the amount of energy and cognitive bandwidth it takes for HIM to keep up with all his BS. I think it was Mark Twain that said, "never tell lies and you have nothing to remember", something to that effect. If only this much organization was used for good.

cock-up before conspiracy

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [trail] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 14:00

Post #164 of 203 (686 views)

trail wrote:

j p o wrote:

One up, two mostly flat, lots of riding the brakes on the downhill

I don't know, looks more like the Cybertruck accelerator issue than riding the brakes.

Off topic, but I saw one of those in the wild over the weekend. I guess I was expecting more, not sure more what. It just didn't look impressive at all. I much preferred the Tundra I was driving in looks and definitely in capabilities.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [J_R] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 15:29

Post #165 of 203 (632 views)

J_R wrote:

Surely news of a streaming capability will send it to the moon: https://www.cnbc.com/...eaming-platform.html

They want to be the platform of choice for White Nationalist terrorists to live stream their attacks.

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [J_R] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 15:32

Post #166 of 203 (625 views)

J_R wrote:

DavHamm wrote:

Don't know where to see this, anyone have a graph or table, for April, of % drop each day for this stock.. its gotta be brutal, seems like a 10% everyday, but I mean it had to have some days that were at least not 10% drops right. Has it had a positive day, in april.

Pick your time frame: https://www.google.com/...ote/DJT:NASDAQ?hl=en

Sorry don't see how to get daily % loss.

I know multiple ways to get the daily close, open, range. I could just export to excel calc. daily % change and plot it or put in table, just not that interested to do it.

Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 15:37

Post #167 of 203 (621 views)

axlsix3 wrote:

J_R wrote:

Surely news of a streaming capability will send it to the moon: https://www.cnbc.com/...eaming-platform.html

I bet the stock will rebound to record heights if they streamed a reality show based on Devin Nunes' cow.

I heard they were going to stream, Stormy and Trump doing the nasty, and oh would that be nasty.

They will have a reality game show, Grab em by the Pussy. each contestant is given a cat backpack to wear (what where you thinking?)

They will also have the game show, Can you get me out of this oval office.

A tutorial show, how to cheat at golf.

Who wants to be a Dr. You evaluate trump them provide a medical summary of him. He picks which is most accurate and the winner gets an PHD from trump University.

Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [Velocibuddha] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 15:39

Post #168 of 203 (619 views)

Velocibuddha wrote:

Put it this way...

There is what is known as a Dead Cat Bounce.

DJT has been much less bouncy than most dead cats.

Of course it has no bounce, its trump, he grabbed it and wont let that pussy bounce.

Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [DavHamm] [ In reply to ]

Apr 16, 24 15:47

Post #169 of 203 (608 views)

DavHamm wrote:

Velocibuddha wrote:

Put it this way...

There is what is known as a Dead Cat Bounce.

DJT has been much less bouncy than most dead cats.

Of course it has no bounce, its trump, he grabbed it and wont let that pussy bounce.

Very good!!

A grabbed pussy won't bounce.

That works on soo many levels.

Many a true word spoken in jest.

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [Velocibuddha] [ In reply to ]

Apr 17, 24 6:35

Post #170 of 203 (530 views)

and DJT is holding steady today. at +1.0% at opening.

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [sosayusall] [ In reply to ]

Apr 17, 24 7:03

Post #171 of 203 (504 views)

Almost 10%. Let's see if it sticks, or if it gets sleepy.

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [J_R] [ In reply to ]

Apr 17, 24 7:04

Post #172 of 203 (499 views)

J_R wrote:

Almost 10%. Let's see if it sticks, or if it gets sleepy.

Russian money pouring into the stock to prop it up.

Probably.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [J_R] [ In reply to ]

Apr 17, 24 7:12

Post #173 of 203 (486 views)

J_R wrote:

Almost 10%. Let's see if it sticks, or if it gets sleepy.

Well it must be because of the news now coming out about their Audit firm, if this was a movie, no one would believe it.

https://qz.com/...-scrutiny-1851410927

Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]

Apr 17, 24 7:16

Post #174 of 203 (482 views)

BLeP wrote:

J_R wrote:

Almost 10%. Let's see if it sticks, or if it gets sleepy.

Russian money pouring into the stock to prop it up.

Probably.

Could be shorts cashing out too.

Re: Do you own ketchup stock? [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]

Apr 18, 24 6:39

Post #175 of 203 (392 views)

Whoever was propping up this POS stock is taking the day off today. Down 9% already.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

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