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Re: Stages Cycling - Something is up.. (no stock) [Mulen]
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Re: Stages Cycling - Something is up.. (no stock) [Ajax Bay]
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I think Giant will absorb Stages similar to SRAM/Quarq. Stages may remain a brand, but not an independent company. Interesting they designed the original wahoo kickr (which which has another intestesting side story).
Re: Stages Cycling - Something is up.. (no stock) [trail]
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trail wrote:
If Giant comes out with a crank arm PM that looks like Stages in a very short timeline, can't imagine there won't be lawyers getting busy.Giant already has a stick on powermeter https://www.giant-bicycles.com/...al/showcase/powerpro
In fact they've designed various powermeters, only that one has been released. Their innovation lab is very busy
The only reason I can see for them to acquire Stages IP is to prevent anyone else from having it. Which would at least be a small win as an outcome of the lawsuit.
Pretty hard to pursue anyone over a similar product when you can buy the parts from these guys and get started tomorrow. Which I think is a large part of the problem for stages - stick on PMs are commoditised.
Re: Stages Cycling - Something is up.. (no stock) [cyclenutnz]
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Giant wants to play in the arena of indoor cycling. We will see indoor bikes similar to the Stages bike from Giant soon.
Re: Stages Cycling - Something is up.. (no stock) [applenutt]
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applenutt wrote:
Giant wants to play in the arena of indoor cycling. We will see indoor bikes similar to the Stages bike from Giant soon.
Re: Stages Cycling - Something is up.. (no stock) [cyclenutnz]
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cyclenutnz wrote:
The only reason I can see for them to acquire Stages IP is to prevent anyone else from having it. Which would at least be a small win as an outcome of the lawsuit.
Pretty hard to pursue anyone over a similar product when you can buy the parts from these guys and get started tomorrow. Which I think is a large part of the problem for stages - stick on PMs are commoditised.
According to gplama, Stages is the only company to have solved the Shimano right-side problem for PMs glued to the right crank arm.
That's maybe worth quite a bit. I don't know if gplama is correct...but he's pretty credible.
It's very easy to buy a few parts and get a prototype going. Making an actual product that works reliably and accurately in mass production is an entirely different thing. Temperature compensation. Handling a huge variety of material properties out there in crank arms. Auto-calibration. DFM so that the rate of warranty repairs/replacments or any service contact is driven to very small %s so your labor costs are small over the lifecycle of a product. This is all unsexy but extremely important engineering. In my experience as an engineer, the cool fully-functional prototype you can show at Sea Otter or put up on GoFundMe is about the first 1% of engineering hours. Then the work starts.
Re: Stages Cycling - Something is up.. (no stock) [trail]
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trail wrote:
cyclenutnz wrote:
The only reason I can see for them to acquire Stages IP is to prevent anyone else from having it. Which would at least be a small win as an outcome of the lawsuit.
Pretty hard to pursue anyone over a similar product when you can buy the parts from these guys and get started tomorrow. Which I think is a large part of the problem for stages - stick on PMs are commoditised.
According to gplama, Stages is the only company to have solved the Shimano right-side problem for PMs glued to the right crank arm.
That's maybe worth quite a bit. I don't know if gplama is correct...but he's pretty credible.
It's very easy to buy a few parts and get a prototype going. Making an actual product that works reliably and accurately in mass production is an entirely different thing. Temperature compensation. Handling a huge variety of material properties out there in crank arms. Auto-calibration. DFM so that the rate of warranty repairs/replacments or any service contact is driven to very small %s so your labor costs are small over the lifecycle of a product. This is all unsexy but extremely important engineering. In my experience as an engineer, the cool fully-functional prototype you can show at Sea Otter or put up on GoFundMe is about the first 1% of engineering hours. Then the work starts.
^^^^This. The first 95% of the solution is easy. The last 5% can kill you. If they have a viable, low cost solution that's worth something to Giant (who will always want to compete on price).
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Could also be worth it if Stages has patents.