Black Monday 2024

Jan 5, 24 13:19

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Place your bets for which teams part ways with their head coaches on Monday.

First up is the Patriots and Bill Belichick. That seems like the most talked about one. I guess it was all Tom Brady. Mike Vrabel might be available and Bob Kraft might go that way. But 5-11 isn't much better than 4-12.

Steelers and Tomlin would make sphere happy... until they have their first losing season since 2003. I don't see this happening.

Jets and Robert Saleh? Who knows what would have happened with a healthy Qaron Rodgers, but 2023 was ugly for the J-E-T-S.

Eberflus and the Bears? They are a broken organization. All I know is that they will fuck up the draft. But a new HC can't hurt.

Riverboat Ron and the team from Washington that may or may not have another name change before next season? Book it.

Smith and the Falcons- better than even odds he will go.

Who is the surprise on Monday?

Suffer Well.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jan 5, 24 13:42

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jmh wrote:

Place your bets for which teams part ways with their head coaches on Monday.

First up is the Patriots and Bill Belichick. That seems like the most talked about one. I guess it was all Tom Brady. Mike Vrabel might be available and Bob Kraft might go that way. But 5-11 isn't much better than 4-12.

Steelers and Tomlin would make sphere happy... until they have their first losing season since 2003. I don't see this happening.

Jets and Robert Saleh? Who knows what would have happened with a healthy Qaron Rodgers, but 2023 was ugly for the J-E-T-S.

Eberflus and the Bears? They are a broken organization. All I know is that they will fuck up the draft. But a new HC can't hurt.

Riverboat Ron and the team from Washington that may or may not have another name change before next season? Book it.

Smith and the Falcons- better than even odds he will go.

Who is the surprise on Monday?

The 2 surefire bets on your list - Rivera (new ownership) and Smith. Belichik has tapes on Kraft so that ain't gonna happen. Tomlin will die a Steelers coach. Saleh never had a QB, deserves 1 year of Covid immune Rodgers before judgement. Eberflus has bad players, give him one more year with their treasure of a draft this year. The surprise is that Pierce will remain the Raiders coach.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jan 5, 24 14:05

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Oh right for some teams, the season ends Sunday.. Such an odd thing caring about football games in Dec and Jan.. and then actually going to the playoffs.

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]

Jan 5, 24 14:10

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axlsix3 wrote:

The 2 surefire bets on your list - Rivera (new ownership) and Smith. Belichik has tapes on Kraft so that ain't gonna happen. Tomlin will die a Steelers coach. Saleh never had a QB, deserves 1 year of Covid immune Rodgers before judgement. Eberflus has bad players, give him one more year with their treasure of a draft this year. The surprise is that Pierce will remain the Raiders coach.

Did Bill acquire the rub and tug house video feed?

I agree the Pierce will still be the HC of the Raiders.

Suffer Well.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jan 5, 24 14:17

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If the Bills lose to the Dolphins, McDermott could be gone.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jan 5, 24 16:08

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Smith and the Falcons- better than even odds he will go.

Rumor has it that Eric Bieniemy will get that job.

More than a few Titans fans would like to see Vrabel gone, but I think the owner likes him too much.

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]

Jan 5, 24 16:52

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axlsix3 wrote:

Belichik has tapes on Kraft so that ain't gonna happen.

I'm not sure Belichik *wants* to coach the Patriots anymore. A change of scenery might be a win-win, and he'll have no trouble getting another job.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [trail] [ In reply to ]

Jan 5, 24 17:55

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trail wrote:

axlsix3 wrote:

Belichik has tapes on Kraft so that ain't gonna happen.

I'm not sure Belichik *wants* to coach the Patriots anymore.

He lost his mojo with the Philly Special

When TB12 left, it was revealed that he wasn't all he claimed to be

Could the Pats keep him on to tank next year, then draft the NEXT "GOAT 2B?" and mentor that poor schmuck? God hopes not

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jan 6, 24 8:49

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Belichick intrigues. His exalted status says he will not be fired by Kraft and they will announce either a parting of ways retirement or a move into Head Coach emeritus whisperer for Vrabel. He has no future as a TV NFL talking head and he is too old for a lateral move to another team. Best for the NFL if he just up and vanishes until his time for placement into the HOF.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jan 6, 24 10:23

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As a Lion's fan, I'm feeling a little left out. So this is what having a competent coach feels like.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jan 6, 24 11:08

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I guess it was all Tom Brady.

Brady was certainly good. A lot of the Patriots' success came from Kraft's salary cap management. For a long time he'd convince star players to negotiate a pay cut so that he could bring in more talent.

He may not be as effective in that regard in 2023.

I'm sure Bill was a fine coach, but yes, it appears that he wasn't the sole reason for the success of that dynasty.

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jan 6, 24 11:32

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Here in NC the idiot panthers owner changes HCs about every other month.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [gofigure] [ In reply to ]

Jan 6, 24 11:39

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gofigure wrote:

Belichick intrigues. His exalted status says he will not be fired by Kraft and they will announce either a parting of ways retirement or a move into Head Coach emeritus whisperer for Vrabel. He has no future as a TV NFL talking head and he is too old for a lateral move to another team. Best for the NFL if he just up and vanishes until his time for placement into the HOF.

I agree that they won't/can't fire him due his legacy.

Obviously he (and Harbaugh) will be attached to every job opening this week, i can see Belichick coaching in 2024 with a *thisclose* contender that needs that one final push with a owner willing to pay.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [Thom] [ In reply to ]

Jan 7, 24 5:37

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Thom wrote:

As a Lion's fan, I'm feeling a little left out. So this is what having a competent coach feels like.

Lions' fans have has such low expectations for years that winning the division seems like winning the Super Bowl.

I hope Lions can be in a place where just having a competent coach with a good team and just winning the division or making the playoffs feels like a disappointment.

Suffer Well.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jan 7, 24 5:44

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I’m with sphere. Very tired of them playing “just good enough” for him to keep his job.

He lost to 2 two win teams in a row, but might sneak into the playoffs and lose in the 1st round again.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jan 8, 24 6:29

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So far:

Ron Rivera - Commanders
Arthur Smith - Falcons

Re: Black Monday 2024 [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jan 8, 24 7:53

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jmh wrote:

Steelers and Tomlin would make sphere happy... until they have their first losing season since 2003. I don't see this happening.

It is incredible to think that the Steelers have had 3 coaches since 1969. The Texans have had 5 head coaches (if you count Romeo Crenel's 12 games as interim head coach to finish out the 2020 season) the last 4 seasons.

The Steelers are the best run organization in all of professional sports and coaching continuity is part of it. There was no way he was getting fired even had they not made the playoffs.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]

Jan 8, 24 7:56

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SayHey Kid wrote:

So far:

Ron Rivera - Commanders
Arthur Smith - Falcons

Add Panthers GM Scott Fitterer

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jan 8, 24 14:35

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I know the OP was about head coaches, but I'm praying the Seahawks fire their DC. I'm sick of them having a shitty defense every year. The talked about it during yesterday's game. The offense did a good job of keeping the team competitive with a bottom of the barrel defense.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [ironclm] [ In reply to ]

Jan 8, 24 17:07

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No coaches media availability in Tennessee today, even though they usually are available on locker clean out day. Vrabel will be made available "sometime this week" per PR. Rumor says he would go to New England if Kraft and BillP part ways.

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jan 8, 24 19:15

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jmh wrote:

Thom wrote:

As a Lion's fan, I'm feeling a little left out. So this is what having a competent coach feels like.

Lions' fans have has such low expectations for years that winning the division seems like winning the Super Bowl.

I hope Lions can be in a place where just having a competent coach with a good team and just winning the division or making the playoffs feels like a disappointment.

The season was a failure when the Lions lost to Green Bay. The extra GB loss might have kept them out of the playoffs, which makes it that much worse. Sweeping GB > Super Bowl.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [ironclm] [ In reply to ]

Jan 9, 24 9:51

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Black Tuesday in Tennessee - Vrabel fired.

Mike Vrabel - Titans
Ron Rivera - Commanders
Arthur Smith - Falcons
GM Scott Fitterer - Panthers

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [ironclm] [ In reply to ]

Jan 10, 24 8:04

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Still waiting to see what Kraft and Bill B. decide.

Bears offensive coordinator Luke Getsy
Bears QB coach Andrew Janocko

NY Giants - pretty much everyone except Daboll (mix of resignations and firings)

Mike Vrabel - Titans
Ron Rivera - Commanders
Arthur Smith - Falcons
GM Scott Fitterer - Panthers
Mike Caldwell - Jags defensive coordinator

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [ironclm] [ In reply to ]

Jan 10, 24 8:09

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ironclm wrote:

Bears offensive coordinator Luke Getsy
Bears QB coach Andrew Janocko

Doesn't look good for the Fields experiment.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jan 10, 24 8:10

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Titans are dumb. Vrabel is a great coach. I imagine teams are gonna be tripping over themselves to line up an interview with him.

Matt

Re: Black Monday 2024 [Chemist] [ In reply to ]

Jan 10, 24 8:34

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sub .500 last two seasons is not very good IMO. Fans not turning out. Typically half the stadium is visiting fans. Losing record at home last 2 seasons, too.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [satchmo] [ In reply to ]

Jan 10, 24 9:10

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Fair enough. But I think that some teams can be a bit to quick to move on from coaches rather then let them ride through a tough year to two. He had a winning record in 4 of his 6 seasons and the Titans had more playoff wins (2) in his tenure than they had in their previous 15 years (1). And by all accounts he had the locker room behind him.

They just seem to have a dearth of talent. Tough to say if it's an issue coaching up the players or the GM isn't scouting and selecting well. They essentially traded AJ Brown (194 catches, 2952 yds, 18 TD, 2 pro bowls in the past 2 seasons) for Treylon Burks (49 catches, 665 yds, 1 TD the past 2 seasons). I imagine that has exacerbated their QB issues.

Matt

Re: Black Monday 2024 [ In reply to ]

Jan 10, 24 11:45

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Pete Carroll - out , "mutual". Could stay on as an advisor

Re: Black Monday 2024 [Chemist] [ In reply to ]

Jan 10, 24 12:13

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Chemist wrote:

Fair enough. But I think that some teams can be a bit to quick to move on from coaches rather then let them ride through a tough year to two. He had a winning record in 4 of his 6 seasons and the Titans had more playoff wins (2) in his tenure than they had in their previous 15 years (1). And by all accounts he had the locker room behind him.

They just seem to have a dearth of talent. Tough to say if it's an issue coaching up the players or the GM isn't scouting and selecting well. They essentially traded AJ Brown (194 catches, 2952 yds, 18 TD, 2 pro bowls in the past 2 seasons) for Treylon Burks (49 catches, 665 yds, 1 TD the past 2 seasons). I imagine that has exacerbated their QB issues.

1. What I hear is that there was a bit of a power struggle. Vrabel lost.

2. The GM has only been with them for a year. I'd say give him this upcoming draft and see how that goes. Though he hasn't gotten stellar reviews on general managing a professional football team from people who deal with him on the regular. Take that for what it's worth.

3. Many players were bummed/shocked by the news.

4. The real problem is the owner. From one of the local sport writers: Amy Adams Strunk shirked her responsibility to Tennessee Titans fans for the second time in 13 months Tuesday, refusing to take questions in a news conference setting on the firing of coach Mike Vrabel.

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [SayHey Kid] [ In reply to ]

Jan 10, 24 12:19

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SayHey Kid wrote:

Pete Carroll - out , "mutual". Could stay on as an advisor

As a Seahawks fan since their inception, Pete Carroll has been a blessing. There were far more losing seasons than winning before he came along. Unfortunately, I think Pete's legacy will be throwing from NE's 1 yard line and the interception that lost them the game when they had Marshawn Lynch who had been running roughshod over the NE defense.

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [satchmo] [ In reply to ]

Jan 10, 24 12:24

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satchmo wrote:

sub .500 last two seasons is not very good IMO. Fans not turning out. Typically half the stadium is visiting fans. Losing record at home last 2 seasons, too.

Seems like the Titans record these past couple of years is more of a roster issue than a coaching issue.

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [mck414] [ In reply to ]

Jan 10, 24 12:34

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mck414 wrote:

SayHey Kid wrote:

Pete Carroll - out , "mutual". Could stay on as an advisor

As a Seahawks fan since their inception, Pete Carroll has been a blessing. There were far more losing seasons than winning before he came along. Unfortunately, I think Pete's legacy will be throwing from NE's 1 yard line and the interception that lost them the game when they had Marshawn Lynch who had been running roughshod over the NE defense.

As a 49ers fan Pete Carroll was a curse! Kaep and Jimmy G were a combined 4-11 against the hawks.

As much as I hated losing to them, I thought he was a great coach. Surprised to see this news, he was the 4th longest tenured head coach. But I guess at 72 maybe he wants to step back a bit (though you wouldn't know it watching how animated he is on the sideline)

Matt

Re: Black Monday 2024 [ironclm] [ In reply to ]

Jan 10, 24 14:58

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Pete Carroll - Seahawks (staying on as advisor)
Mike Vrabel - Titans
Ron Rivera - Commanders
Arthur Smith - Falcons
GM Scott Fitterer - Panthers

Mike Caldwell - Jags defensive coordinator
Bears fired OC, QB coach, RBs coach, WRs coach, asst. TEs coach (Bears HC safe)
NY Giants - pretty much everyone except Daboll (mix of resignations and firings)

Earlier firings:
Brandon Staley - Chargers
Josh McDaniels - Raiders (and GM)

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [ironclm] [ In reply to ]

Jan 10, 24 18:22

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I did not have Pete Carroll on my firing/departing bingo card.

He's a helluva coach...I was a fan (the last play of the Superbowl XLIX notwithstanding).

I often forgot that he is was the oldest head coach in the league. That mantle passed to Belichick- for now.

Suffer Well.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [ironclm] [ In reply to ]

Jan 10, 24 18:38

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Not seeing anyone (yet) whom Lurie & Howie would could consider an upgrade from Sirianni (Vrabel, maybe?)

But there's always the Coach + QB relationship to maintain, and Nick + Jalen have worked pretty well, overall

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Jan 11, 24 4:56

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Schefter said the Belichick and the Pats are expected to part ways today

He’s just 1-2 seasons away from overtaking Shula for the all time wins record. But at age 71 I can’t imagine he’s gonna want to start somewhere new

Matt

Re: Black Monday 2024 [Chemist] [ In reply to ]

Jan 11, 24 5:19

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Chemist wrote:

Schefter said the Belichick and the Pats are expected to part ways today

He’s just 1-2 seasons away from overtaking Shula for the all time wins record. But at age 71 I can’t imagine he’s gonna want to start somewhere new

All over the news and ESPN this morning. Joint press conference at noon today to make it official. End of an era but it was definitely time.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [ironclm] [ In reply to ]

Jan 11, 24 5:51

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Bill Belichick - Patriots
Pete Carroll - Seahawks (staying on as advisor)
Mike Vrabel - Titans
Ron Rivera - Commanders
Arthur Smith - Falcons
GM Scott Fitterer - Panthers

Mike Caldwell - Jags defensive coordinator
Bears fired OC, QB coach, RBs coach, WRs coach, asst. TEs coach (Bears HC safe)
NY Giants - pretty much everyone except Daboll (mix of resignations and firings)

Earlier firings:
Brandon Staley - Chargers
Josh McDaniels - Raiders (and GM)

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [Dgconner154] [ In reply to ]

Jan 11, 24 7:13

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It's been a rocky in the 4 years of the Post-Brady Era. But it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't get any better for the rest of the decade despite having a new voice in the locker room. Miami and Buffalo both have young MVP-caliber QB's. And the Jets, despite how much of a mess that franchise is, has been 7-10 the last two years despite the worst QB play in the league. The Jets have got a lot of young talent on offense and defense and are a mediocre QB away from getting into the playoffs.

After having a stretch where they won 17 AFC east titles in 19 years, it may very well be that they finish last in the division for the rest of Robert Kraft's life.

Matt

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [ironclm] [ In reply to ]

Jan 11, 24 7:21

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ironclm wrote:

Pete Carroll - Seahawks (staying on as advisor)

I'm circumspect about that. I always thought it was good etiquette for a departing head coach to just clear out entirely and let the new guy do his thing. Now the new guy has a legendary personality peering over his shoulder and whispering to the GM.

Go somewhere else and be an advisor. Unless the advisory role is just long enough to select a new HC.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [Dgconner154] [ In reply to ]

Jan 11, 24 9:02

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Dgconner154 wrote:

Chemist wrote:

Schefter said the Belichick and the Pats are expected to part ways today

All over the news and ESPN this morning. Joint press conference at noon today to make it official. End of an era but it was definitely time.

I kinda hate that we can't say "Kraft fired him" or "Belichick quit"

But just 'kinda'

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [trail] [ In reply to ]

Jan 11, 24 9:31

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trail wrote:

ironclm wrote:

Pete Carroll - Seahawks (staying on as advisor)

I'm circumspect about that. I always thought it was good etiquette for a departing head coach to just clear out entirely and let the new guy do his thing. Now the new guy has a legendary personality peering over his shoulder and whispering to the GM.

Go somewhere else and be an advisor. Unless the advisory role is just long enough to select a new HC.

Bucs did it with Bruce Arians as an advisor for a year while Todd Bowles took over. Seemed to work out fine.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [triguy98] [ In reply to ]

Jan 11, 24 9:36

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triguy98 wrote:

Bucs did it with Bruce Arians as an advisor for a year while Todd Bowles took over. Seemed to work out fine.

Yeah, I'm sure it can work if both personalities handle it right. Carroll would have to set aside the "Pete Carroll Way" and let the new guy define his own "New Guy Way" even if Pete disagrees with some parts of it. New Guy would have to be self-assured enough to not try to "please Pete Carroll."

May work in Seattle. Definitely wouldn't work in 'Bama. Saban's gotta clear all the way out. Because his presence is just overwhelming.

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [mck414] [ In reply to ]

Jan 11, 24 14:01

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mck414 wrote:

SayHey Kid wrote:

Pete Carroll - out , "mutual". Could stay on as an advisor

As a Seahawks fan since their inception, Pete Carroll has been a blessing. There were far more losing seasons than winning before he came along. Unfortunately, I think Pete's legacy will be throwing from NE's 1 yard line and the interception that lost them the game when they had Marshawn Lynch who had been running roughshod over the NE defense.

Seahawks fan since the beginning here as well, having been to many games in the Kingdome. As far as the pick at the goal line, I think Pete gets too much blame and Wilson not enough. He was supposed to throw it away if it wasn't open. It wasn't. It would have been completely forgotten if he would have done his job.

In any event, I'll always love Pete for getting us a SB win.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [Chemist] [ In reply to ]

Jan 12, 24 6:30

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Chemist wrote:

Schefter said the Belichick and the Pats are expected to part ways today

He’s just 1-2 seasons away from overtaking Shula for the all time wins record. But at age 71 I can’t imagine he’s gonna want to start somewhere new

Looks like they already had a plan in place. Jerod Mayo, their linebackers coach is being given the job.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [Thom] [ In reply to ]

Jan 12, 24 7:26

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Thom wrote:

Chemist wrote:

Schefter said the Belichick and the Pats are expected to part ways today

He’s just 1-2 seasons away from overtaking Shula for the all time wins record. But at age 71 I can’t imagine he’s gonna want to start somewhere new

Looks like they already had a plan in place. Jerod Mayo, their linebackers coach is being given the job.

I just read that Mayo as an assistant coach had it written into his contract that he would succeed Belichick

Re: Black Monday 2024 [pjet] [ In reply to ]

Jan 12, 24 7:31

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Interesting choice. Only 5 years of coaching and all of it as a linebackers coach for NE.

Matt

Re: Black Monday 2024 [Chemist] [ In reply to ]

Jan 12, 24 8:51

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He's always been talked about as a replacement for Belichik but for people in the know what has he done exactly to get the HC job? His resume can't be that much better than Bienemy, Vrabel, etc.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [Thom] [ In reply to ]

Jan 12, 24 8:58

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VFL baby. Love it and now I am an instant Pat's fan. Plus the Titans make it so easy to not like them.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [Chemist] [ In reply to ]

Jan 12, 24 14:00

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Chemist wrote:

Interesting choice. Only 5 years of coaching and all of it as a linebackers coach for NE.

Exactly. Normally you would be a OC or DC for a while first.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [ In reply to ]

Jan 18, 24 11:29

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Looks like Mike McCarthy dodged the bullet. He has one year left on his contract.

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [ironclm] [ In reply to ]

Jan 24, 24 17:29

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Harbaugh to the Chargers. I seem to remember him promising Michigan he was done considering NFL jobs after the Vikings job fell through last year.

Under investigation for 2 different level 1 NCAA violations and he bolts for the NFL Pete Carrol style.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [Thom] [ In reply to ]

Jan 24, 24 17:39

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Thom wrote:

Harbaugh to the Chargers. I seem to remember him promising Michigan he was done considering NFL jobs after the Vikings job fell through last year.

Under investigation for 2 different level 1 NCAA violations and he bolts for the NFL Pete Carrol style.

Little brother showing some jealously

Re: Black Monday 2024 [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Jan 24, 24 17:48

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Or some serious hammer get ready to fall on Michigan. Rats leaving a sinking ship.

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [mck414] [ In reply to ]

Jan 24, 24 17:50

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mck414 wrote:

Or some serious hammer get ready to fall on Michigan. Rats leaving a sinking ship.

Oh I fully anticipate a show cause for him and possibly a vacating of the national championship....

Re: Black Monday 2024 [Chemist] [ In reply to ]

Jan 24, 24 23:59

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Chemist wrote:

Miami and Buffalo both have young MVP-caliber QB's.

Josh Allen isn't that young anymore. And Allen really isn't an "MVP caliber" QB with Mahommes, Burrow and Jackson in the AFC, he's the 4th best QB in the conference at best.
And Tua, not even close to MVP caliber I think it would be a stretch to say he's even the 10th best QB in the league. I think he started to get found out the later half of the season. Also, having the best playmaker wideout probably in the league makes him look better than he actually is.

That said, Pats have a tough hill to climb. They don't really have any talent on offense, there isn't a single real threat. Andrews is a solid center, everyone is average at best. It seems like they would need at least 2 good drafts and sign a top free agent receiver to be any good.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Jan 25, 24 11:32

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windywave wrote:

mck414 wrote:

Or some serious hammer get ready to fall on Michigan. Rats leaving a sinking ship.

Oh I fully anticipate a show cause for him and possibly a vacating of the national championship....

I'm curious how busy the portal gets in Michigan. May give Alabama the chance to load back up using former UM players.

Michigan's time in the sun is going to be short-lived it seems.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [j p o] [ In reply to ]

Jan 25, 24 16:12

Post #58 of 79 Views: 635

Portal is closed until April. This is/was Harboy's plan the whole time.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [satchmo] [ In reply to ]

Jan 25, 24 16:31

Post #59 of 79 Views: 632

Coach leaving triggers the portal reopening

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [j p o] [ In reply to ]

Jan 25, 24 17:00

Post #60 of 79 Views: 622

j p o wrote:

windywave wrote:

mck414 wrote:

Or some serious hammer get ready to fall on Michigan. Rats leaving a sinking ship.

Oh I fully anticipate a show cause for him and possibly a vacating of the national championship....

I'm curious how busy the portal gets in Michigan. May give Alabama the chance to load back up using former UM players.

Michigan's time in the sun is going to be short-lived it seems.

Everything I've seen is that they will give Sherrone Moore the job. That should limit a lot of the transfers out. I'm happy for them, they are getting their Bobby Williams.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [Thom] [ In reply to ]

Jan 25, 24 20:23

Post #61 of 79 Views: 598

Interesting that Belichick is still available.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]

Jan 25, 24 20:32

Post #62 of 79 Views: 596

axlsix3 wrote:

Interesting that Belichick is still available.

He's old

Re: Black Monday 2024 [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Jan 25, 24 21:51

Post #63 of 79 Views: 587

windywave wrote:

axlsix3 wrote:

Interesting that Belichick is still available.

He's old

True dat. But the man can still coach. The team that ends up with him is in effect getting a short term loan because he's going to cash out after passing Shula.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]

Jan 26, 24 3:05

Post #64 of 79 Views: 555

axlsix3 wrote:

Interesting that Belichick is still available.

And Vrable, a Belichick disciple.

clm
Nashville, TN
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Re: Black Monday 2024 [ironclm] [ In reply to ]

Jan 26, 24 3:22

Post #65 of 79 Views: 551

ironclm wrote:

axlsix3 wrote:

Interesting that Belichick is still available.

And Vrable, a Belichick disciple.

Not many Belichik disciples have done well. See Matt Patricia, Josh McDaniels, Nick Saban (in the NFL), Bill O'Brien, Brian Flores (he got jobbed I think), Romeo Crennel, I'm sure I'm missing a few. Though I'll agree Vrabel is the exception.

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [mck414] [ In reply to ]

Jan 26, 24 5:58

Post #66 of 79 Views: 544

The Mike Shanahan tree is much better (and he came from Bill Walsh).

clm
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Re: Black Monday 2024 [mck414] [ In reply to ]

Jan 26, 24 6:35

Post #67 of 79 Views: 536

mck414 wrote:

ironclm wrote:

axlsix3 wrote:

Interesting that Belichick is still available.

And Vrable, a Belichick disciple.

Not many Belichik disciples have done well. See Matt Patricia, Josh McDaniels, Nick Saban (in the NFL), Bill O'Brien, Brian Flores (he got jobbed I think), Romeo Crennel, I'm sure I'm missing a few. Though I'll agree Vrabel is the exception.

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Vrabel is probably the exception because he’s not from the Belichick tree

Re: Black Monday 2024 [D.O.] [ In reply to ]

Jan 26, 24 6:58

Post #68 of 79 Views: 523

D.O. wrote:

mck414 wrote:

ironclm wrote:

axlsix3 wrote:

Interesting that Belichick is still available.

And Vrable, a Belichick disciple.

Not many Belichik disciples have done well. See Matt Patricia, Josh McDaniels, Nick Saban (in the NFL), Bill O'Brien, Brian Flores (he got jobbed I think), Romeo Crennel, I'm sure I'm missing a few. Though I'll agree Vrabel is the exception.

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Vrabel is probably the exception because he’s not from the Belichick tree

Not from the tree but still a disciple. Eight years with BB, he brought a lot of "the Patriots way" to the Titans.

clm
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Re: Black Monday 2024 [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]

Jan 26, 24 7:04

Post #69 of 79 Views: 519

axlsix3 wrote:

Interesting that Belichick is still available.

The Cardinals reportedly thought Belichick might just be looking for a short term gig, and they wanted someone for the next few years. He’s also likely very expensive, and would probably want a degree of control that not every team would be interested in giving to him.

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [ironclm] [ In reply to ]

Jan 26, 24 7:24

Post #70 of 79 Views: 513

ironclm wrote:

D.O. wrote:

mck414 wrote:

ironclm wrote:

axlsix3 wrote:

Interesting that Belichick is still available.

And Vrable, a Belichick disciple.

Not many Belichik disciples have done well. See Matt Patricia, Josh McDaniels, Nick Saban (in the NFL), Bill O'Brien, Brian Flores (he got jobbed I think), Romeo Crennel, I'm sure I'm missing a few. Though I'll agree Vrabel is the exception.

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Vrabel is probably the exception because he’s not from the Belichick tree

Not from the tree but still a disciple. Eight years with BB, he brought a lot of "the Patriots way" to the Titans.

“The Patriots Way” was Tom Brady, BB is a sub .500 coach without him. Calling Vrabel a BB disciple is a stretch when he undoubtedly was also influenced by Bill Cowher and Urban Meyer

Re: Black Monday 2024 [tri_yoda] [ In reply to ]

Jan 26, 24 9:05

Post #71 of 79 Views: 502

tri_yoda wrote:

Chemist wrote:

Miami and Buffalo both have young MVP-caliber QB's.

Josh Allen isn't that young anymore. And Allen really isn't an "MVP caliber" QB with Mahommes, Burrow and Jackson in the AFC, he's the 4th best QB in the conference at best.
And Tua, not even close to MVP caliber I think it would be a stretch to say he's even the 10th best QB in the league. I think he started to get found out the later half of the season. Also, having the best playmaker wideout probably lin the league makes him look better than he actually is.

That said, Pats have a tough hill to climb. They don't really have any talent on offense, there isn't a single real threat. Andrews is a solid center, everyone is average at best. It seems like they would need at least 2 good drafts and sign a top free agent receiver to be any good.

4th best in the AFC probably still puts him at 4th best in the NFL. And I wasn’t aware that 27 is suddenly considered old for a QB…and looking back he finished 2nd in the MVP vote in 2020 and 3rd in the vote last year…

Matt

Last edited by: Chemist: Jan 26, 24 10:44

Re: Black Monday 2024 [D.O.] [ In reply to ]

Jan 26, 24 9:47

Post #72 of 79 Views: 490

D.O. wrote:

ironclm wrote:

D.O. wrote:

mck414 wrote:

ironclm wrote:

axlsix3 wrote:

Interesting that Belichick is still available.

And Vrable, a Belichick disciple.

Not many Belichik disciples have done well. See Matt Patricia, Josh McDaniels, Nick Saban (in the NFL), Bill O'Brien, Brian Flores (he got jobbed I think), Romeo Crennel, I'm sure I'm missing a few. Though I'll agree Vrabel is the exception.

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Vrabel is probably the exception because he’s not from the Belichick tree

Not from the tree but still a disciple. Eight years with BB, he brought a lot of "the Patriots way" to the Titans.

“The Patriots Way” was Tom Brady, BB is a sub .500 coach without him. Calling Vrabel a BB disciple is a stretch when he undoubtedly was also influenced by Bill Cowher and Urban Meyer

I'm just repeating what I was told by someone here who used to work for both the Pats and the Titans. I'll believe him.

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [mck414] [ In reply to ]

Jan 26, 24 9:53

Post #73 of 79 Views: 487

mck414 wrote:

ironclm wrote:

axlsix3 wrote:

Interesting that Belichick is still available.

And Vrable, a Belichick disciple.

Not many Belichik disciples have done well. See Matt Patricia, Josh McDaniels, Nick Saban (in the NFL), Bill O'Brien, Brian Flores (he got jobbed I think), Romeo Crennel, I'm sure I'm missing a few. Though I'll agree Vrabel is the exception.

As a lions fan, I really. Hope a divison rival hires matt patricia as HC someday.

Re: Black Monday 2024 [ironclm] [ In reply to ]

Jan 26, 24 10:26

Post #74 of 79 Views: 479

On the topic of coaching tree’s, I saw this on Reddit awhile back. Someone went and organized all the head coaches in the NFL (at the time) under one tree with 3 main arms:

Source: https://www.reddit.com/...ead_coach_under_one/

Matt

Last edited by: Chemist: Jan 26, 24 10:28

Re: Black Monday 2024 [Chemist] [ In reply to ]

Jan 26, 24 12:30

Post #75 of 79 Views: 456

That's a great chart, thanks!

clm
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Re: Black Monday 2024 [jmh] [ In reply to ]

Apr 17, 24 10:44

Post #76 of 79 Views: 196

https://sports.yahoo.com/...chick-134425299.html

Quote:

according to a source who spoke to two people: a close Kraft friend and a longtime Belichick confidant. The source quoted the Belichick source as saying, "Robert called Arthur to warn him not to trust Bill." That account was backed up, the source said, by the close Kraft friend.
Multiple sources said that Kraft spoke with "some candor" to Blank about Belichick, though the sources declined to elaborate. One source close to Belichick said Kraft "was a big part" of why the Falcons passed on hiring him.

Quote:

So while Kraft has been publicly supportive of Belichick, his personal feelings are reportedly less kind. A source close to Kraft told ESPN "[Kraft] found Bill to be extremely difficult and obstinate and kind of stubborn and, in the end, not worthy of his trust. And also very, very, very arrogant." A spokesperson for Kraft denied to ESPN that the Patriots owner said anything negative about Belichick during his conversations with Blank.

Seems like Belichick and Kraft's relation has gone really sour. I wonder if Kraft is still mad about Belichick letting Brady go to Tampa Bay

Matt

Re: Black Monday 2024 [Chemist] [ In reply to ]

Apr 17, 24 11:38

Post #77 of 79 Views: 151

I heard about that earlier (yesterday? This morning?)

I wonder who the fuck Belichek thinks he is, to say "I'd work for either Cowboys, Giants, or Eagles?" Like they're just gonna shove people out to make room for him, on reputation alone?

And he's only gonna stay as long as it takes to win 15 games and pass Shula, anyway, then retire for good

"You'll have to start over again," a source said of the Eagles' thought process. "Who would replace him? He hasn't had a good record of developing coaches. They were afraid that he'll have changed everything and every person, and [then] you'll be starting from scratch again. He didn't demand those changes, but they felt like, if we hire him, we have to give everything to him and trust how he does it."

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Re: Black Monday 2024 [RandMart] [ In reply to ]

Apr 17, 24 13:26

Post #78 of 79 Views: 120

RandMart wrote:

I wonder who the fuck Belichek thinks he is, to say "I'd work for either Cowboys, Giants, or Eagles?" Like they're just gonna shove people out to make room for him, on reputation alone?

I mean, Nick Sirriani was the architect of what was perhaps the greatest mid-season collapse the NFL has ever seen (and the organization has a short memory of a coaches success ie Pederson). Brian Dabol is .456 after 2 seasons. And the cowboys coach is always on the hot seat. So I wouldn’t be surprised if at least one (if not all three)

That said, I am not surprised that Belichick would be an arrogant individual

Matt

Last edited by: Chemist: Apr 17, 24 13:43

Re: Black Monday 2024 [Chemist] [ In reply to ]

Apr 17, 24 13:41

Post #79 of 79 Views: 115

While on the topic of Belichick, I was looking through my my old trading cards a couple weeks back and found this gem

Matt

Last edited by: Chemist: Apr 17, 24 13:42

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