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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [spudone] [ In reply to ]
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The problem being addressed, at least to early implementers and adopters, is a financial system that is corrupt and rigged to benefit the .001%. As a corollary, governments (particularly the U.S.) are going hog wild printing money in fiat currency systems. This effectively becomes an unlegislated tax on the average Joe.

So to say cryptocurrency does not solve a real problem is wrong. Maybe it's just not something that article's author has a problem with.

It's not solving the problem, as far as I can tell. (I don't agree that the problem is the deep conspiracy you imply, as the "fiat currency" system combined with regulated trading have combined to allow "the people" access to capital ownership and wealth accumulation never before seen in the history of man).

But back to cryptocurrency. I don't see it solving the issue. I'm over-generalizing, but we seem to have the choice between using unregulated exchange and wallet services that are unreliable stores of money and trafficked by people I'd consider "unsavory" at best. Or using the more transparent and reliable services like Robinhood and Coinbase where your money is reasonably secure and you're unlikely to be aiding a service that helps child porn traffickers (or child traffickers), but has transaction costs way worse than just using a regular bank in combination with a low-fee brokerage service. And doesn't hide your transactions from government.

Cryptocurrency is not going to be magic end-around societal and governmental problems. The tools to fix government are participation, activism, etc. We can't tech our way out, because blockchain or something.
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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [spudone] [ In reply to ]
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The CCP sure thinks that it's a threat, so if nothing else it has that going for it. They are terrified of the population having a way to transfer wealth to something they can't control.
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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]
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China has already effectively removed cash from their society and are about to issue their own official govt crypto.

Banning bitcoin and other crypto was the first step to scorch earth, before they issue their own digital currency...every transaction by every citizen tracked on the CCP blockchain.


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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [Endo] [ In reply to ]
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China has already effectively removed cash from their society and are about to issue their own official govt crypto.

Banning bitcoin and other crypto was the first step to scorch earth, before they issue their own digital currency...every transaction by every citizen tracked on the CCP blockchain.

Interesting.

Is this an argument for, or against, crypto?

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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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It is neither, just commenting on China's actions.

That said, people are misinformed when the go on about how crypto currency mainly harbors criminal anonymous activity. It is a red herring argument. Go ahead and see how easy it is to off-ramp crypto (especially large amounts) into actual fiat currency while remaining anonymous.

I really do expect the US to eventually take the $USD digitally at a minimum, and assuming the technology proves out at massive scale, do so on the blockchain. All governments would love to keep better tabs on all financial transactions. I'm betting they'd love to get rid of cash all together. That is where the real criminal activity occurs...cash transactions and the $USD is the preferred global currency of criminal activity.

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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [spudone] [ In reply to ]
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I agree the motivation is there amongst a core group of techno-libertarians. It all went wrong somewhere.

I'll leave the other argument for another thread. :)



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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [Endo] [ In reply to ]
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Isn't the usa essentially digital (currency) anyway alteady?

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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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Transactions are mostly digital, through 3rd parties, but the actual USD currency is not.

When the US gubnent stops printing actual paper cash and coins, then we'll be digital.
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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [Endo] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, but in the usa, we are already 90% digital (in terms of the money supply). Won't be long until its even more than that.

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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, but in the usa, we are already 90% digital (in terms of the money supply). Won't be long until its even more than that.

You forgot the time aspect of things and the fact that the blockchain will likely speed these transactions to instant transactions versus the delay that we have now.
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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [shoff14] [ In reply to ]
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DarkSpeedWorks wrote:
Yes, but in the usa, we are already 90% digital (in terms of the money supply). Won't be long until its even more than that.


You forgot the time aspect of things and the fact that the blockchain will likely speed these transactions to instant transactions versus the delay that we have now.

That doesn't make any sense at all. Why would blockchain transactions be faster? You have all the fundamental communication delays, plus extra from the blockchain.
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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [chaparral] [ In reply to ]
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shoff14 wrote:
DarkSpeedWorks wrote:
Yes, but in the usa, we are already 90% digital (in terms of the money supply). Won't be long until its even more than that.


You forgot the time aspect of things and the fact that the blockchain will likely speed these transactions to instant transactions versus the delay that we have now.


That doesn't make any sense at all. Why would blockchain transactions be faster? You have all the fundamental communication delays, plus extra from the blockchain.

Your experience of the transaction as a consumer is different than the back end process of how the transaction is actually processed. Depending on the type of transaction, there may be significant fees and/or delays that you may be unaware of.
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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [shoff14] [ In reply to ]
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https://www.osc.ca/...t-registered-ontario

Apparently some regulators disagree, this company is not allowed to do business in Ontario. Also, a number of other countries because they don’t have processes in place to prevent money laundering.

ETA
https://www.binance.com/...4b488213fa30284dd4cd
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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [907Tri] [ In reply to ]
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This is an interesting video, it was linked to in a Vice piece on NFTs. This guy just eviscerates bitcoin, ethereum, and blockchain (all in the first 40min of the video, after that it all about NFTs). A sobering look at what appears to be a huge scam:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g

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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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This is an interesting video, it was linked to in a Vice piece on NFTs. This guy just eviscerates bitcoin, ethereum, and blockchain (all in the first 40min of the video, after that it all about NFTs). A sobering look at what appears to be a huge scam:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g

I knew NFTs were just a greater fool scam to help bring more fools into the greater fool scam of crypto, then I watched this video and saw just how much worse it was then I been knew.

We already have plenty of gambling. Why do we need more that also is so destructive to the environment.

Just because something is clever, does not mean it is a good idea.
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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [907Tri] [ In reply to ]
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I took the crypto dive! I'm in, kinda.

For fun I bought 1 share of BITO a Bitcoin-linked ETF. My $24 share is now $25. Boom!!!
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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [J_R] [ In reply to ]
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J_R wrote:
I took the crypto dive! I'm in, kinda.

For fun I bout 1 share of BITO a Bitcoin-linked ETF. My $24 share is now $25. Boom!!!

Quick, sell now while you still can !

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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [chaparral] [ In reply to ]
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chaparral wrote:
Why do we need more that also is so destructive to the environment.


I think we've been over this.

I believe it's blockchain currency proof-of-work that's the energy hog, not really NFTs.

I'm not an NFT fan by any stretch. But there's enough real criticism that it doesn't have to be exaggerated.

Unless by "more" you just mean all things "crypto," which would be legit, I guess.
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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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chaparral wrote:
Why do we need more that also is so destructive to the environment.


I think we've been over this.

I believe it's blockchain currency proof-of-work that's the energy hog, not really NFTs.

I'm not an NFT fan by any stretch. But there's enough real criticism that it doesn't have to be exaggerated.

Unless by "more" you just mean all things "crypto," which would be legit, I guess.

Ok, I will be more specific.

99% of NFTs are energy hogs since the vast majority of them are on etherium and other similar proof of work blockchain.

You do understand that a transaction of an NFT (creation or any selling), requires the same multiple redundant intense computer transactions as a “currency” transaction on the blockchain. It is the same thing.
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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [chaparral] [ In reply to ]
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What l wonder is that when the entire game of musical chairs that is crypto (and NFTs) all comes crashing down, l wonder what will be the worldwide economic impact? Like the crash of 2008? Or even bigger?

It's gonna be bad.

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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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What l wonder is that when the entire game of musical chairs that is crypto (and NFTs) all comes crashing down, l wonder what will be the worldwide economic impact? Like the crash of 2008? Or even bigger?

It's gonna be bad.

I don’t think it is nearly as systematic as 2008. There are only really something like 400,000 crypto wallets with any meaningful money (I forgot what I saw, something like more than a couple hundred USD). And lots of people have multiple wallets. So the number of people with lots of crypto is actually very very small. They are loud, because they need to be loud to bring in more fools, but it is not that many people.

The question is how much money is tied up things derived from crypto. Like there are people giving loans to people based on their crypto portfolios. Or investors in crypto companies. We know institutional investors are in the game, I just hope they are not nearly dumb enough to be that deep in it.
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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [DarkSpeedWorks] [ In reply to ]
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DarkSpeedWorks wrote:
J_R wrote:
I took the crypto dive! I'm in, kinda.

For fun I bout 1 share of BITO a Bitcoin-linked ETF. My $24 share is now $25. Boom!!!


Quick, sell now while you still can !

At close I'm up a buck-63. Gonna ride this train to the moon!
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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [J_R] [ In reply to ]
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Oh, boy ...

https://apnews.com/...df74fdeebaeae9188e70

Gee, what could possibly go wrong?

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Re: Where's everyone at with crypto? [907Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Well, this ain't gonna help:

https://www.cnn.com/...-comments/index.html

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