Almost makes mincemeat of people with black and white positions on all of this.

How, exactly? Most arguments I’ve seen either say no, or OK if the athlete hasn’t gone through puberty. Seems like a pretty straightforward take in this situation and no new argument I’ve seen.

Where is this “minemeat” you speak of?

Given your continued insertion of Blakeman into posts, even ones where he is not discussed, I’m led to believe your interests are purely political rather than caring about the issue.

How, exactly? Most arguments I’ve seen either say no, or OK if the athlete hasn’t gone through puberty. Seems like a pretty straightforward take in this situation and no new argument I’ve seen.

Where is this “minemeat” you speak of?

Given your continued insertion of Blakeman into posts, even ones where he is not discussed, I’m led to believe your interests are purely political rather than caring about the issue.

The problem is a legal one, and this will not be the end.

As one might expect, the two judges in the majority are D appointees, and the dissenting judge is an R appointee.

The decision:

https://wp.api.aclu.org/...2024/04/Document.pdf

How, exactly? Most arguments I’ve seen either say no, or OK if the athlete hasn’t gone through puberty. Seems like a pretty straightforward take in this situation and no new argument I’ve seen.

Where is this “minemeat” you speak of?

Given your continued insertion of Blakeman into posts, even ones where he is not discussed, I’m led to believe your interests are purely political rather than caring about the issue.

3. Am I the only one who finds the D and R schism in the law on matters of this culture war disturbing.

Nope. I'm a life long registered Republican that has voted Democrat, generally, since about 2012. I don't understand why this is even being discussed. It seems very simple to me.

1. Is there anyone or group that did not weigh in ?
2. Can we expect that some of the legal representation was provided pro bono.
3. Am I the only one who finds the D and R schism in the law on matters of this culture war disturbing.

1. Is there anyone or group that did not weigh in ?
2. Can we expect that some of the legal representation was provided pro bono.
3. Am I the only one who finds the D and R schism in the law on matters of this culture war disturbing.

Puberty blocking hormones do not make the penis shrink into a clitoris and testicles / sack fully disappear...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38413534/

This is probably more interesting to read and discuss than the mindless dreck the OP posted

The problem is a legal one, and this will not be the end. The ruling uses Title IX, a law that was supposed to protect girls in sports, as its justification. It has been twisted in a way that does just the opposite, and that is going to cause problems. The law says that you can't discriminate based on sex, and this court has decided that also means sexual orientation. That is the problem many of us have.

The problem is a legal one, and this will not be the end. The ruling uses Title IX, a law that was supposed to protect girls in sports, as its justification. It has been twisted in a way that does just the opposite, and that is going to cause problems. The law says that you can't discriminate based on sex, and this court has decided that also means sexual orientation. That is the problem many of us have.

I know of exactly ZERO liberals who think there should be no legal protection for cis girls and women in sports.

I’m a very liberal liberal and I wholeheartedly and unreservedly agree that some protection of girls and women is required by our laws as well as general notions of fairness and good sportsmanship.

I know of exactly ZERO liberals who think there should be no legal protection for cis girls and women in sports. I’m a very liberal liberal and I wholeheartedly and unreservedly agree that some protection of girls and women is required by our laws as well as general notions of fairness and good sportsmanship.

It seems obviously to many people that trans athletes should be afforded some legal protections as well. Who/ what/ when/ where/ how are all questions that determine the balance of rights.

I woke up feeling optimistic today. I think most people recognize the value of community and the need to balance rights so that everyone can enjoy and participate in community. We’ll get there.

My question to DSW was how did this particular articles make "mincemeat" of the people with black and white positions on the matter. Unless I'm reading it incorrectly I don't see anything in that writeup that undercuts the notion of "biological males shouldn't compete against biological females."

I do find the issue compelling. While the solution, if there is one, is clearly not staightforward, the issue is a remarkable rorschach test of this era.

No, l just mentioned Blakeman for entertainment value.

Well-said.

Where do you think reasonable fairness can start for inclusion and fairness for all on this subject? I mean this seriously considering the LI thread went a different direction.

I thought that law did a good job of starting to identify the who/what/when/where/why.

I am in full agreement that both trans individuals and biological women need and deserve protections and fairness in the best way possible. And I believe "best way possible" is where the disagreements meet.

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And this is why the CHAGA movement is doomed. lol

The case in the article talks about a trans girl that did not have (male) puberty. I too feel that (adult) biological males that have gone through male puberty should not compete directly against biological females for podiums, prizes, etc. if the biological females do not want it. (But if the biological females are all for it, then I am good with it.)

But this is not an adult, this is a trans female that did not even have puberty. Apparently, some people feel she could compete fairly against biological females. But others feel that she should not compete against biological females. Can you use your black/white viewpoint to solve this issue and make everybody happy? (competitors, parents, politicians, the local community, random onlookers, etc.) I ask this because I do not see an immediate easy answer that will be happily and fully accepted by everyone. Do you?