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Working fine from southern Ontario.

@Kid

This is the first time I'm hearing the new CEO talk and I do not get the sense the pro end of the sport is of any interest to him.

Great I am going to be toggling between Paris Roubaix Femmes and the Lionel's swim sucks + where is Race Ranger show all morning!!! Should have been in the corral in Oceanside now, but alas back home freezing in Canada. This is the next best option I guess

YIKES! 3m is not enough of a gap for the ladies.

Hopping on my trainer at start of the race, thinking I should do a 30-45-sec sprint every time Dede says "...the likes of..." or if they pronounce Jelle Geens' name incorrectly. On 2nd thought, probably won't because I wouldn't last very long.

@Kid

I heard yesterday water was well below 60F. I see pros with neoprene caps. What's the water temp?

Outside (swidt) North America:
https://proseries.ironman.com/races/im703-oceanside

"that looks like maybe it's so and so."

in 2024, it's time for all pro athletes to have color-coded caps, and huge race numbers stenciled on the side. we shouldn't be guessing at who's who in the water these days.

anyway, looks like 3 on the front now. my guess is still that aside from whoever breaks off the front, we'll have a long line of guys at T1 rather than discrete groups per se.

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Ultimately I guess it doesn't really matter, but I'm always baffled why they can't do something like put numbers on the pros' swim caps, or some other identifier, to make it easier to spot them in the water. I guess in the end, they come out of water and we see where they are. Or, this isn't really a spectator sport.

They said 59F on the broadcast

59 according to the broadcast

I hope that this commercial every couple minutes is just for the beginning here, very annoying to just cut in while they are talking and showing something going on. Then they come back in the middle of a sentence, so I guess the announcers really dont know when they cut them away.

Good coverage thus far when they have it, swim looked super easy for everyone, not the melee that was predicted..ANd when they did the overhead shots, the surf was not bad at all, could have done that surf swim and around, at least for the pros..

~45 air, can't remember the exact number. Water was definitely 59

And do it every time Dede laughs on one of her own jokes.

And when she speaks over the other commentators.

And during commercials.

You'll be dead by T1.

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If I have to watch these same KT and Gatorade commercials one more time....

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Top ladies starting to lap the slower men now, do we know if there were any announcements at the pro meeting on how those guys should react once on the bike? I mean they should have the chance to go through and ride away, but if they can't??

I know the sponsors want their airtime, but I will never buy a pair of Hokas specifically because of how much their commercials have ruined my watching experience.

Don't know the water conditions in harbour, but looks pretty calm with just a few ripples? Should be a fast swim day?

Outside Watch literally has to be the worst f’ing platform for Ironman to showcase their events. I hope they are getting a shit ton of money to put up with this crap…….

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Let food be thy medicine...

Man 50 years later and they still cannot get a lead paddler to paddle the actual course, frustrating...

There are more commercials than network tv.

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Do they not just have to follow the same drafting rules as normal? Maybe I do not understand what you are asking...

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fenella leading out the ladies - i really like her style!

leader out a hair under 23:00, geens at :40seconds. lange/currie out now too - that's a good swim for patrick. apparently a string of men ~45 seconds long!

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Lionel great swim 25th out but only 1:38 down.

What happened with lead paddler. I see Lange with second group

LS 25th 1:38 back

Sam Long 2:38 back

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Good swim for Lionel, but he blew time in transition

Meh this is long course, that wont matter and he's around a bunch of people even with the issues.

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The burnt tips paid off!

The broadcasters talking about T1 when they are showing the bike really is not ideal.

Holy crap Lionel!! Sweet, he's gonna kick some ass today!

The entire lead group got lost following the paddler, who was not paddling the course. Lucky for them they figured out that in time to make a quick 90 degree turn and hit the buoy..

Great swim for Lionel, guess we can put to rest that his new hairdo has actually made some big gains for him. He was right near some big players, and a minute up on Long, so his best swim ever..

Curious to see if Knibb's position looks any better today.

Is Knibb doing Oceanside + St. George to stamp her Nice WC qualification criteria?

So exciting to see him kicking ass again!!

on to the bike, geens in 6th, lange in 9th, currie in 12th.
matt sharpe a decent shout for a solid performance today.

fenella out of the water in 25:00, 3 seconds up on knibb, and just blazing out of T1. knibb with another very slow but relaxed-looking transition. paula fourth but at +58. paula looks to have made up most of the time she lost to knibb on the swim just in T1!

man, that's a loooong jog around transition.

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Knibb ate a sandwich and drank a glass of wine in that picnic of a T1.

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hot damn, fenella put a full minute into her!

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So which unknown male pro will get clowned for "messing" with the women's race only to have the top women pro's come on here and defend his honor?

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If you arent using the tracker also to follow along, the next time split will be mile 12.2.

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Thank god for free coverage, but man your watching an athlete on camera thinking they are 1st only to realize the camera pans ahead and he's in a long line of riders not the front guy. But it's free coverage, so I'll stfu.

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I’ve been saying he looks scary. He’s positioned himself well in striking distance. Just wait and see he’s going all out on the bike and run.

Not according to her BB interview. Oceanside to validate for Taupo. That's all. She looked forward to her first race after Olympics being T100 at Ibiza (a week after Nice): she is contracted to race that as one of her 3 T100s before GF.

I understand it is free but this coverage is ABSOLUTELY Garbage!!

Why do they keep saying:

“Quote unquote” all the time ? And ..

“Absolutely “ after every comment?

It’s infuriating. I need to turn the sound off.

In all my years following the sport this is the worst coverage by a wide margin that I have ever seen. Not sure if its the same for everyone. I'm seeing about 2/1 for coverage/slash commercials.

I have audio from Paris Roubaix Femmes on and turned off Oceanside audio when I toggle back and forth :-). Its confusing watching oceanside with Paris Roubaix audio though!!!

Maybe they should have known what the athletes would be wearing and what they would like like before hand. Embarrassing talking about bib #7 when it is clear as day its bib #15 on screen

 

I'd happily pay for commercial free with better visual and better trained commentators (Dede needs a lot of work).

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Matt Claiming Sperl isn't actually Sperl when in fact it is.
Now Dede mis-identifying Grace Alexander as Kate Curran.

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So many commercials. 2:30 between them and announcers don’t even seem to know when they are happening. Who’s the producer?

where are Sam Long and Jackson Laundry ?

SL, JL, LS all together 54s back at 12mi mark

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Sam and Lionel perfectly positioned for them.

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That is decent firepower in the sub 1 min behind group. Sam Long closed 1 min on lionel already?

Long closed most of the gap in T1, he was 40s faster than LS just in T1.

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Lange is in vicinity with Long+Lionel.

That sounds like game over and this is Lange's race

Not as bad as saying Eric Lagerstrom should be with the front group heading into T1 when he’s not even racing.

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Let food be thy medicine...

Ya sounded like Lionel had some helmet problems in T1, maybe had to ditch the visor? But that is one of the advantages of having a great swim, now he could ride his pace and recover before Sam and company caught up. Now they need to hammer to get to front, and to also get rid of Lange. Soften up the guys legs before the hill, then make a big move there and into that headwind section that goes back to the beach..

yep.

on some level i feel badly for the commentators who clearly aren't in control here. riders appear on screen and we don't know who they are or why they're even on screen. what's the point of seeing this athlete and following their riding for a couple of minutes - do we know anything about them? are they doing something interesting?

this is really where i think they need some quick/easy pre-recorded bits to insert in the broadcast. race morning, go to the swim start and do a 20-second interview with some pros. "hey lionel, where do you want to be when you start the bike?" or whatever. or else take us through a map of the bike course, tell us about the section we're in now and what we should look out for. something like that to keep things interesting and give us something other than just a long side shot of an unknown rider.

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i want lionel to win races, but damn he's unskilled. his transitions, handling, etc are a major weakness for him.

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Eh for him today it was irrelevant, he made the group, had the best swim of his life, so whether he had a clean T1 or not, he'd still be in the same spot basically. He's in the position he needs to be 30 mins into the bike (and closing).

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Wow - Taylor leading by 1:15

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Commentary is pretty painful, but like others have said, it's free.
Great to see Sanders keep with a good pack and have a solid swim.
Shame about skipper though, seems he has almost 4mins to work on if the times are right. He's normally out with Sanders, Long etc :-(

Findlay 3rd 2:45, lol Knibb just dropped the hammer in just 12 miles. Good god.

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hey guys Mark Allen is in the middle of talking about the race, should we cut to another commercial now or wait till he’s done.

Producer - Do it NOW cut to the KT tape one NOW!!

Maybe as a sponsor I notice this more than others, but why did they put the Ekoi logo upside down on Lange's side?? If you're going to drop $35,000 on a logo placement, you'd think you would be careful about it's orientation....

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Talbot must have read ST and spoken into LS's ear piece "drop Lange".....because Lange is dropped hard.

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Meanwhile in the women’s race, at the 12 mile mark Taylor Knibb riding a full 2mph quicker than anyone else!

What will the gap be by T2?

Enough where she can finish that sandwich and bottle of wine I mentioned she took in in T1 lol

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The amount of commercials is maddening! Not that the commentators know what the heck is going on… But PIP would be nice.

Everyone on screen is riding pretty draft legal so that's good on them.

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It’s like they forgot there was a women’s race for the last 20 min.

well to be fair there's really only a race for 2nd.

Something must be going wrong with the camera/moto for the women because there's been zero images (until just now - Taylor on the screen now).

I hate how they keep interrupting the Outside house ads with race coverage.

Well for a long time all they had on the right were the womens splits, all during them showing the mens ride. I imagine it will be hard to get back to the trailing women, it will be crowded with men and women..

Good position on Knibb and she is quite smooth, not the rocking we have gotten used to

Touche.

Big improvement from last year

Do you think that they're aren't showing the mess of men in those huge groups in order to not get criticism about the size of the men's field? or is it just logistics?

I'm surprised that the coverage hasn't improved all that much in terms of the camera focusing on the same butt for a long time. We don't know what's going on with such big fields other than the person on the screen and rarely panning up or back so we can see what's happening. Perhaps it's just the nature of being out on a single loop course where there's limiters for filming?

Frustrating not to be able to watch the battles in real time that were hyped up :(

Oceanside is such a staple race and they've been broadcasting from Oceansid for quite a few years. Wondering why Ironman hasn't figured this out?

Was looking forward to the Race Ranger impact, too. Good on them for seeing the firmware issue and not rolling out before it was ready. But, dang, it would be really interesting to see the data with these massive fields

Maybe someone can occasionally put up the time split differences from the tracker, just too many windows to keep open..

I'm using hte tracker on phone and I cant even see the splits they are upcoming. So likely not a ton of splits today.

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Knibb is quite good in an interview. Is that Kenny Withrow I hear conducting the interview?

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What’s with the MPRO pack on screen? What the heck?

Some of those guys in that mini group weren't making any movement to pass each other almost going 3 wide. Will be curious to see if any got penalities. (yes I know it was only a brief shots of the group, but it certainly looked weird to have more of a jumbled group than legal distancing).

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LOL

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Yeah, was that Sam taking the lead? They talked about the drafting rule dynamics, but is that our new leader?

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Looks like the 2nd and 3rd pack just merged, and sam is putting the hammer down. Will take a minute to sort out, but certainly if you plan on being in the race at the end, this is the spot to burn some matches

They are about to hit “Hell Hill”.

No way everyone was riding legally in the wake of Sam passing. Definitely some big time encroachment into the draft zone from a few people.

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The tracker has been down since 7:51... what the hell???

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Chasers are all but about to catch.

25mi tracker

LS 12s back
SL 15s back

Dev's the race is over cus of Lange is there- 4:25 back

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man.... what BAD timing for these ads.... ach!!

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Finally get to see Lionel....aaaand commercial....

what happened to Lange...I was over watching Paris Roubaix femme while on trainer!!!

Tracker is working for me... it's just they only have a mat every 12-13 miles it seems.

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damn these boys don't climb like world tour pros haha

At what point will knibb ride past lange 🤣

hey guys we finally got Lionel and camera and he’s about to make a pass should we cut to a commercial now or later.

Producer - NOW cut to that one about South Dakota Now!!!

The boys put the hammer down on him.

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There were definitely some drafting violations up that hill. Maybe the coverage will show if any penalties were handed out.

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10k left in ladies Roubaix if anyone wants to tune it for the finish.

Knibb outbiked Lange by 1min+ over the 1st 25mi of the bike in comparison. Obviously she's had some wheels to draft off of through the men's field......damn

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So according to commentators -

Emma PB went off course

and gained positions and time on Paula.

Ok.

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Is that not basically an auto DQ?

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I'm excited for the race Lisa Becharas is having right now. Hopefully she can run after this bike performance.

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I think they said she has gained some positions, but lost time, which would make sense if you are hammering but made a wrong turn

She’s 4:51 behind Lange based on the timing mats… but gaining ;)

"Taylor is looking gre...." commercial....

According to the timing mats, EPB gained about 1 min on Paula.

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Is there less commercials if you sign up for a free account? Outside keeps cutting to outside commercials mid sentence from the announcers.

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Matt just said he expected Taylor to pass Skipper and is surprised that Skipper is riding fast and not being passed by Taylor.

Taylor is fast but... what??

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No he said that Skipper is riding through the front end(top 20) of the mens field, not that Taylor is catching him. I think he is fine for the moment, but if he is really having a bad day, well Taylor passing him might just end it for him..

Good screen time for Justin Riele.

Why bother showing the favorites when you can sit with Riele....

Epic lead men battle up 15% hill so let’s cut to an off course single female for 5mn… wtf

He said that he was looking for who Taylor had passed and that Skipper had been taking his time in transition and he was looking to see Taylor pass him but he was in fact riding through most of the field. He definitely had a pretty poor swim and slow transition. His bike has been fast compared to most but not as fast as Long, etc.

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Yes, so Taylor is not catching him anymore since the swim and T1 are over, and he is putting himself into the lead of the mens race now..

Taylor is going to hog up those 1st place points, and it will be stingy to all those ladies behind. The mens pts will be a lot closer for sure..

Mile 42 tracker:

SL takes the lead w/ LS 2nd with group of 5 30s ahead.

SL
LS
Sperli
JL
Riele

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Sam and Lionel up front.

Geens 6th 30s back in no mans land

7th and chase pack 1:20 down.

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Re skipper

He has said he's not here for a position, he's here for time gap as every second lost to finisher is a point dropped. I imagine he's just riding to a specific wattage and will run to 3:20/km pace and see where he finishes. Not sure what time gap he's been happy with though

Nope

So is Knibb virtually ahead of Lange? Tough day for Patrick

Wonder how much time Lionel will lose in T2 putting on his huge socks (not joking....)

Taylor’s positions and equipment choices look so much better

Should have put them on in T1 like Knibb.

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Geens 20s to the 5th wheel at that check point. 30s to the front. They need to put a minute on him over the last 13.5 miles imo or he can run them down. I'm only feeling good if I'm Long or Sanders even with 60s+

This is unwatchable. No way Outside and Ironman think it is acceptable to have ads every 45 seconds

Dubrick in really good position to battle for a final podium spot.

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The key there is that Geens is all on his own, and that last 12 miles is brutal and really rewards big guys with big power. So I expect they will put a bunch more time on him, but more important, taking some of the piss out of his run too..

Lionel hanging in second but looks like he is working super hard to keep sam in sight

They better have the camera ready for the start of this run as we are going to have an itu take off 10+ surging the first 5 km.

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Knibb is unreal. 2:05:00 total time at 42.5 miles on the bike. That would have her 31st in the men's race, with the long T1 to put on socks...

Sam making his push as he should at this point, this is a great spot on the course for a guy like him. And to me it is Laundry that is the real threat at the moment, be good to get a gap on him too.

I don’t think he should be too disappointed with how things are going so far, he’s never seemed under any illusion that he’s really a contender over 70.3.

He said on his podcast this week his main focus was to finish well in relation to the others going for the overall IM series ie Patrick Lange, Matt Hanson and he’s well ahead of both now. I expect he’ll want a good gap to PL off the bike though.

Taylor is virtually 31st overall just in front of Matt Hanson… 1:39 virtually behind Lange physically 4:39

Physically on the road she’s 35th overall on the road (because of 3 minutes start behind the men).

When they did the last pan back, looked like someone came around Lionel and was pulling them back to Sam

I wonder if Didi and Matt know they're speaking to no one as they commentate through half of the commercials.

8 minute lead 40 miles into the bike. Should be racing the men today

at 42 mi into the bike Knibb is 8:14 ahead of Findlay in second.

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Outside is an abomination. Nothing will ever change even with new clowns in charge at Ironman

8 minute lead 40 miles into the bike. Should be racing the men today //

You think she would be happy being in 31st place? Remember in the past the top women in Kona and other Ironmans, are often top 20 to 25 overall, so this is not that big a deal. One year PNF got 11th overall in Kona even..

These adverts are crazy!!!

So here's the thing. What commercial have we been seeing? I dont think I've seen any products other than Outside. So no one is buying into the coverage, and of course for IM it's never really been about the pro product. They are an race producition company not an pro develoopment series. So I'm guessing they've gotten like no product sponsors who have ever wanted to buy in for ad space. Thus it's basically Outside infomercial every ad.

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KT and whatever the car ad is (Lexus?)

Lange took a wrong turn somewhere. Not sure if that was mentioned already, but that explains the lousy bike.

its seems like there's a disconnect between commentators and broadcast.
"well be back after these messages..." followed by a minute of silence, and cutting to commercial mid-sentence.

Well, you have the interviews and video spots featuring TriDot and Athletic Brewing - not the traditional ads, but definitely paid advertising. And Gatorade has had their ad play a few times. And KT of course about 1000 times.

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Yup. The coverage is again awful.

Leaderboard is wrong. It’s plain as day it’s not Sanders in second anymore.

The front camera bike did a Quick Look back at the bikes following Sam and then back to Sam. We all saw it wasn’t Sanders. Commentary makes no real mention of it. Is there not a central director dictating to the on road camera crew to show what’s going on? If we see it, you would hope they would too..

For the pro series I can’t believe there isn’t even the increase in timing mats to provide a more accurate leaderboard.

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So 5 paid advertisers and then Outside doing their own advertising to get all us free loaders to pay for Outside tv after. You can understand why it's Outside ads well more than any other. And again IM doesn't give a shit about their pro coverage. See 5 companies paid to advertise during it's coverage.

For reference PGA Tour has 52 sponsored brands.

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Yeah, agree with you.

(slightly different point) I can say that as an advertiser I gave Outside/Triathlete a go and it was a very very very bad investment.

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The leaderboard has never been a live leaderboard. It’s always been tied directly to the timing mats placed throughout the course. It’s an output of the tracker.

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Those chicanes into T2 are going to be a meat ginder for the age groupers. How many crashes are going to happen there??

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What in the hell are they doing riding their bikes around chicanes beside the T area? They couldn't just get off at the start of T area?

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I wonder how many ads were part of their sponsorship package/tie in with Ironman?

i did see an Athletic brewing tap at my local watering hole the other day. The owner socially rides mtn bikes occasionally along w/one of the bartenders. I'd be willing to bet 0 influence from Ironman on placing that on tap and the growing trend towards not drinking.

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re: a prior posters comment, Knibb’s fit on the bike looks really good.

Sam really looks great on the bike. Took the time to dial in his bike fit this winter along with rehaul of his run training that includes more weekly hills, slower runs and an uptick in volume. I think we’re seeing a replay of Miami but on a course that better suits him and if he has his Miami run, I’m not sure he can be chased down.

Relaying a text from Arman: is there a way to make the flapping race numbers more aero, legally?

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JG lost 2 mins to the front group the final 15 miles.

SL looked good and efficient in T2.

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Answering Alex Arman's qeustion.... I think the numbers are required by the Marine base, right? I guess they could wear a nopins suit if they were worried about it.

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Welch is an idiot. Leaders running outta t2 and he’s Talking about Lange. He probably doesn’t even know Lange is 8mins down. Gimme that PTO. Broadcast all day!!

SO good for the two guys up front, our ST favorites sam and Lionel. Hope they are both feeling great here on the run, Geens back 2;30 or so, should be enough for either one or both of them if they push each other to the runs they are capable of..

Should quiet down a lot of the haters too, looking forward to the next vids from both of these guys..

Ut oh, LS and Landry semi dropping SL; they gained 14s in 1st mile on SL.

Let's see how this goes.

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Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
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Ya Laundry was always the guy I thought got the least love here, and he has won this dam thing before!!!

Is the first mile uphill? These guys all running 6:20-6:38 pace. Or is the measured vs. real distance for the timing mat just way off?

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I thought Knibb would only be able to shut it down towards the back half / 10 mile ish on the run. She literally can *cruise* rom the start of this run (we know she won't initially).

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Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
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Out running SL by 20 secs in 1 mile seems stupid!

If Knibb races this run smart, she will settle into a nice steady tempo at the high end, perhaps more like ironman pace. Then negative split it and keep it under control the whole time, to set herself up for an easy recovery week. Probably still distance the two chasers, which is all she needs to do as the runners in the race are well off the pace and will lose tons of time on the bike..

I think Lovato is spot on re: Jackson’s chip on his shoulder. At Skipper’s meet up, he’s super professional and polite, but he seemed bugged that no one was really talking about his chance for the win.

As for Knibb, really curious what the experts here think of her performance stacks up historically.

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Lionel has a small gap even though of course we aren’t seeing it

This is just stupid lol. She's killed it. Unbelievable just how strong she is right now and she's technically in Paris prep mode. My god.

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Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
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Lol we got a battle at 1st place and we aint even going to see it, lol.

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Knibb could jog the 13.1 and win. Not even a race IMHO.

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Ffs where’s the front of the race?????

As for Knibb, really curious what the experts here think of her performance stacks up historically.//

Well she said she missed Ryf's bike record by a bit, and it seemed like a pretty fast day for this race out there. Historically she is in the same group as Ryf, Wellington, PNF, Baker, and Michelle Jones I would say..


But of course we have known that for a couple years now, or at least ought to have...

Lionel of the top...

Also how many dudes are getting chicked by Taylor Knibb today?

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Apparently she now tied the bike course. 2:18:00 I think?

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He's going to win or die on the course going all out. He's going easy right now. Just wait and see...

Knibb could jog the 13.1 and win. Not even a race IMHO.//

Well most of the top women are not even here, they are at PTO and ITU, so not a big surprise of the gaps. And her race is against the clock here now, thinking about that $200k at the end of the year, both in PTO and in Ironman. Of course she is not going to win this series, but with some off the front performances here and in Taupo, maybe one other race if she can fit it in, and she could get some good money in the down places...

Tried to give Jackson some love in the pre race preview. He's not interested in moving up in distance so he needs to perform as well as possible in the biggest non-T100 half distance races to try and earn some call ups. He just isn't always consistent on the run. Was hard for me to put him in my top-3 but he would've been 4th for me.

Lionel looks great tho. They probably did enough to take Geens out of the conversation for the win. He could move up to the podium if his run is on and Long or Laundry falters.

Also how good is Knibb? Able to have a conversation with Rinny in T2. Dialed into the bike CR.

Also how many dudes are getting chicked by Taylor Knibb today? //

Nobody near the money places, mostly the great AG'ers that decided to race pro..

So stoked for Lionel, had a good feeling these past months that he was really getting into the best shape of his life, and the tactics needed to be at the front again..

Almost 11 mins lead out of T2 for Knibb.....good god that's just stupid.

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He looks very good. Interesting that he is wearing the Surpas kit.

Are they amateurs? They have pro cards. There are Women's PGA Members that shoot better than men on the PGA Tour.

If we take the above attitude Monty, then things like the Ironman Pro Series and Moritz events don't really have a reason to exist as this sport reached peak maturity in the 80s.

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GJ may have to beg Pat to tell Knibb to skip Yoko lol.

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Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
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I think the broadcast is greatly improved. Not as many ads and product placements and announcing is much better.

Knibb would be 30th in the men's race off the bike.

Totally agree that US pros have earned their status -- standard has gotten increasingly difficult year after year since 2020. Back of the pack men are as good as they've ever been. The top women are getting better & better. That doesn't need to upset anyone. It's happening in endurance sports. Women are running marathon times that would be good for domestic men. So what. Maybe if there was more money in the sport back of the pack men could quit their jobs & train harder. Focus on that instead of knocking them.

So ladies could finish on the podium and score really shitty pro series points because of the actual deficit....obviously we think Knibb will "shut it down" at some point, but 6 min lose is going to be what 2140 points at best for 2nd?

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If we take the above attitude Monty, then things like the Ironman Pro Series and Moritz events don't really have a reason to exist as this sport reached peak maturity in the 80s. //

Take it easy drama queen, of course the back half of a 70+ man field could go either AG or pro depending on their desires. They are not making any money today, so the same as an AG'er, but some day they might if they keep moving up. I remember when Tim Deboom was 150th in Kona, then moved into the top 100, then the top 20, then he won it and podiumed for a bunch of years. No need to harsh on these guys, you never know whoo the next long, sanders, or deboom is going to be..


And the race seemed pretty spread out for everyone, about the same size pro field as a full ITU race, but with more swim gaps..

Racing for second when you're in first by 10 minutes is a strange tactic.

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Where did Tamara Jewitt go?

I'm not sure what your saying with this post.

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Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
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Only 8 are even getting paid today. $50k prize purse (7500 >>> 1k). So many good athletes not making a dime today.

This has been a terribly produced broadcast. The producer(s) haven't communicated at all with the announcers of when to go to break and when to come out several different times. The race for 1st might as well not even be part of this coverage anymore. I think this has been a complete struggle bus for coverage.

We haven't even seen Knibb in 20 mins?

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LOL!

Lionel is starting to separate but of course we need to watch Paula racing 11 minutes behind the lead

disappeared from the tracker halfway through the ride, while she was in 10th place?

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app shows SL only 36 secs behind LS at mile 8... even after the cramps? Can this be?

Out of T2 Knibb would’ve been in 30th place overall, men included. Great performance nonetheless, she’s there with Ryf in terms of potential.

But no point in shaming the taken-over pro men.

No point in shaming the taken-over pro women either, as the best AG man would’ve been slower only against Knibb, beating all other pro women.

Why are we stuck on Paula Findlay and in general chase
groups for most of this race?

Wait, Paula isn't the only person running right now?

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Hoka as a sponsor should have a BIG interest in showing Lionel in the lead ... right ?

It’s definitely not really improved, but sadly it might actually be a bit improved from last year which is the scary part.

Looks like Mark Zuckerberg is in the AG race and holding on to Lionel after getting passed by him!

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Only 8 are even getting paid today. $50k prize purse (7500 >>> 1k). So many good athletes not making a dime today.//

Man some of you guys are just so myopic when it comes to the pro side of the sport. There are guys not making the money "today", but likely you will see many of those guys on the podium at the end of the year in the pro series. Good chance we will see guys like Lange, Skipper, and a few others in the really big money, and today will matter...

Zuckerberg from Temu getting some good TV time.

LFG Lionel! LFG!!!!

Is Lionel not sponsored by WYN?

I took your sarcasm as being harsh on them hence combating it.

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Fuck Me! Lionel is nailing this one!!

Nice running from Emma but it doesn’t matter much with Taylor 10m up the road. Still glad to see her do this after ending up in the hospital in Miami and then a crash.

Knibb gained almost a min on everyone through 4mi. 11:32 2nd Findlay, although EPB and her are together I think now.

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So I love that Lionel swam with the big dogs, rode to the front with the guy that just crushed the PTO race, and now out running the guy from ITu that everyone thought would run everyone down..

He just needs to hang on here and do what he is doing, sure hope he is still within himself. After running that 1;08 here years ago, think he likes this course, and the cold air seems to help him not overheat...

And Taylor doing what Taylor does, being smart and crushing the best of the rest. It was really too bad we didnt get to see her at Abu Dhabi and see where her ITU prep is. Hopefully this transition today was not an indication of what she has planned for those races... (-;

Nice running from Emma but it doesn’t matter much with Taylor 10m up the road.//

Once again every second she gains on Knibb is points in the bank. So it does matter, and could matter a lot at the end of the series...

The interesting part is that Knibb racing only occassionaly is going to make these results complete outliers within the standings now. Like if she only does this or 1 more, the 2nd place here is going to get a much "worse" score than other events. So unless she truly shuts it down like right no anad goes into extreme long endurance run mode, her appearances will create outlier scores for the rest of the podium basically.

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Yes the nerve of thinking individual races can pay out deeper. End of year bonuses are great. Paying 8 deep today isn't. It's ok to acknowledge the good & the bad. Oceanside is a big race & carries a huge SOF compared to other $50k races. This race needs more prize money.

This stuff has to be said with the comments directed towards the back of pack pros. Lots of good athletes aren't getting paid today.

Lionel has been amazing. Has extended his lead on every single run split we've gotten.

Lets go Lionel! Good to see.

Yes the nerve of thinking individual races can pay out deeper. End of year bonuses are great. Paying 8 deep today isn't. It's ok to acknowledge the good & the bad.//

I agree with you, just you said that those out of the top 8 were not getting paid today, which is not the case. But Ironman is doing the easy thing to get pros to race for no daily money, put it all into a big bonus, and then force them to race in events they normally would not.. Trying to get the most for the least is what they have always done,, but at least now a good group will eventually get paid more than a living wage...

Did Sam Long cramp? Or is that in reference to Lionel?

he is not on their website

Great swim. Smart bike by not charging the front of the field immediately like Sam did. And then just super well paced run. Not what I expected but mad impressive.

Big losers today are the full ironman specialists (Lange, Skipper, Hanson). Sure there were some issues with wrong turns and what not, but definitely not the start those guys would have wanted.

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Is it too early to now say Lionel is an early favorite for Kona? I don't think so.

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Gotta be Lionel's biggest W since St. George 2021. Great for the sport.

Super encouraging for sure. Swim is finally coming around.

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7.3mi run marker is the 1st time that anyone "gained" time on Knibb. Only 11:01 up on 2nd now.

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Lionel got some of the swagger back

Hey Monty everyone is talking about Lionel's swim today, but this is wetsuit with salt water. My Oceanside swim time the year I did it was 2 min faster than fresh water wetsuit. I think this rewards someone with less good body position with a big engine, It was awesome that Lionel won, but not sure this is the gap we will see in other swims (fresh water no wetsuit being th extreme other end). Regardless though, an awesome day

A 70.3 in April in 50 degrees vs an Ironman in a sauna in October…

Lionel has always been a great 70.3 racer especially in cooler conditions

Masterclass bike-run today off a fantastic swim. But no wetsuits in Kona. I want to see Lionel kick ass in Kona. Was Sam a bit empty from Miami or biked really hard in first 20 miles to close up gaps?

As a Lionel STAN, how much ammo does this provide Lionel STANs? Hahaha.

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'Mo and confidence are a dangerous combination for an athlete. This will certainly give him a boost when he's chasing that black line each week.

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Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
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If this gap stays the same, 2nd place women will gain the same points as roughly 10th place Skipper today......

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Knibb would be about #33 in an 'all gender field - with a mile to go.

I know Emma P-B crashed last week but what happened to her in the race? The commentary is terrible, mentioned her race adversities about 6 times and not said what they are.

She apparently took wrong turn, but I'm not understanding how she may have gained time because of that on the bike early in the race?

Lange took wrong turn as well.

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Neither athlete will be competing in the IM Pro Series so 'points' is not an issue for either. Langridge is the loser here, by racing a 70.3 with Knibb racing it.
Think Langridge will get a Taupo slot (TK validation, Thek and EPB already have slots) - and there are 3 WPRO on the table.

Knibb racing these 1 off IM Series events will in actuality basically create outlier points for everyone else in a bad way. Again 2nd place is getting 1846, that's roughly same as 10th on the men today. That wont be anywhere close to the norm for other events, so it's actually kinda kick in the teeth type of finish for these podium athletes when the end of year points start getting added up and these *poor* scores are yet podium places..

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Man, such a great race by the Lion today. I have to imagine his race unfolded exactly how he would have scripted it other than the helmet snafu in T1. He was so beaten down after Augusta 70.3 last year and has completely turned it around in 6 months. One can only wish that he’d have done this swim focus block 8 or 9 years ago. Yes the wetsuit and salt water helped, but his gap to the front was very impressive, plus he doesn’t like cold water.

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Let food be thy medicine...

Very true, she is a must avoid for the very few targeting the IM pro series? Dis any of the women in top 5 actually do that, dont think so?

Favorite? Lol. Lionel still can’t handle the heat. But it seems perfectly reasonable to say that he showed today he could swim second pack in Kona and bike well enough to bridge with a Gustav/Magnus type move to catch the front pack and actually be in contention starting the run in Hawaii.

What happened to the women’s field on the bike? Taylor crushed today but her time would have been 3rd last year. Were the conditions brutal? Crazy to have that gap and the time not be a course record by a mile.

I ran 630-730 am near here..temp 46*

Remember when Lucy did her 50km swim weeks leading up to Kona on account of injury. Everyone underestimates the aerobic crossover to the bike from the swim. You just can't do the same intensity workload on the bike as in the swim day in and day out. That's gotta have helped Lionel access his bike fitness too. Just less close to his redline on the swim (having lifted it) could equate to less lactate to clear on bike and a generally more relaxed entry to T2

How come EPB result deleted?

Did she get DQ?

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I figured she would by missing the course by getting lost; I think someone even mentioned she "gained"(?) time from that move? At this point in the game, when you don't do the course in pro triathlon, it's going to be a DQ almost 99.99% of the time these days. Espeically if you aren't led off the course by race personal, etc.

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Knibb is such an off-the-charts outlier at this distance, it’s almost not believable. If I saw this in a cycling race, or a running race… it would trigger my BS meter.

How should I reconcile this? Weak field? Lead moto drafting? Lack of depth in women’s 70.3 generally? Knibb is the greatest swim biker of all time?

That is pretty cold when riding wet. I think Knibb dressed up and the others did not?

Yup, she challenging the DQ due to speed violation!

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The time gap I think was certianly a weak field, but what I kinda find interesting. Theoretically if she is in "paris prep", she likely shouldn't even be in this type of "non draft" shape. But then again, she's sorta much more of a hybrid type of training program I think (it was noted she was doing IM prep bike rides 5 months prior to paris test event in training). So I think what her prep is and what the best SC athletes prep is going to be different. I think she needs to be healhy more than anything and this does that I think much more than the super high intensity itu stuff will do.

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Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
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Who won? I missed it?

Good thing he did that super big swim block :)

Hahahaha. Lionel someone they said.

Wow. That would be brutal, but if she did speed through the zone there is no excuse for it. It's one of the most known rules from any race and talked so thoroughly about at pro meetings. Unfortunate, but I don't see her winning the appeal.

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So I'm guessing OS video will come out Tuesday?

Wager he mentions "if I had only done this 10 years ago with swim block focused training" as a takeaway, lol.

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Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
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Did she actually speed through the downhill that has had he limit since the year after Perry Rendina died? It's been around since 2008 or so if I recall correctly (in the Camp Pendleton section).

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