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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [ In reply to ]
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Gotta be Lionel's biggest W since St. George 2021. Great for the sport.
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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Super encouraging for sure. Swim is finally coming around.

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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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7.3mi run marker is the 1st time that anyone "gained" time on Knibb. Only 11:01 up on 2nd now.

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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Lionel got some of the swagger back
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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [monty] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Monty everyone is talking about Lionel's swim today, but this is wetsuit with salt water. My Oceanside swim time the year I did it was 2 min faster than fresh water wetsuit. I think this rewards someone with less good body position with a big engine, It was awesome that Lionel won, but not sure this is the gap we will see in other swims (fresh water no wetsuit being th extreme other end). Regardless though, an awesome day
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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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realbdeal wrote:
Is it too early to now say Lionel is an early favorite for Kona? I don't think so.

A 70.3 in April in 50 degrees vs an Ironman in a sauna in October…

Lionel has always been a great 70.3 racer especially in cooler conditions
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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [USCoregonian] [ In reply to ]
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USCoregonian wrote:
realbdeal wrote:
Is it too early to now say Lionel is an early favorite for Kona? I don't think so.


A 70.3 in April in 50 degrees vs an Ironman in a sauna in October…

Lionel has always been a great 70.3 racer especially in cooler conditions

Masterclass bike-run today off a fantastic swim. But no wetsuits in Kona. I want to see Lionel kick ass in Kona. Was Sam a bit empty from Miami or biked really hard in first 20 miles to close up gaps?
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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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As a Lionel STAN, how much ammo does this provide Lionel STANs? Hahaha.

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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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'Mo and confidence are a dangerous combination for an athlete. This will certainly give him a boost when he's chasing that black line each week.

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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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If this gap stays the same, 2nd place women will gain the same points as roughly 10th place Skipper today......

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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [Michal_CH] [ In reply to ]
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Out of T2 Knibb would’ve been in 30th place overall, men included. Great performance nonetheless, she’s there with Ryf in terms of potential.

But no point in shaming the taken-over pro men.

No point in shaming the taken-over pro women either, as the best AG man would’ve been slower only against Knibb, beating all other pro women.
Knibb would be about #33 in an 'all gender field - with a mile to go.
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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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If this gap stays the same, 2nd place women will gain the same points as roughly 10th place Skipper today......

I know Emma P-B crashed last week but what happened to her in the race? The commentary is terrible, mentioned her race adversities about 6 times and not said what they are.
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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [SheridanTris] [ In reply to ]
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She apparently took wrong turn, but I'm not understanding how she may have gained time because of that on the bike early in the race?

Lange took wrong turn as well.

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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [monty] [ In reply to ]
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monty wrote:
Nice running from Emma but it doesn’t matter much with Taylor 10m up the road.//

Once again every second she gains on Knibb is points in the bank. So it does matter, and could matter a lot at the end of the series...
Neither athlete will be competing in the IM Pro Series so 'points' is not an issue for either. Langridge is the loser here, by racing a 70.3 with Knibb racing it.
Think Langridge will get a Taupo slot (TK validation, Thek and EPB already have slots) - and there are 3 WPRO on the table.
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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [Ajax Bay] [ In reply to ]
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Knibb racing these 1 off IM Series events will in actuality basically create outlier points for everyone else in a bad way. Again 2nd place is getting 1846, that's roughly same as 10th on the men today. That wont be anywhere close to the norm for other events, so it's actually kinda kick in the teeth type of finish for these podium athletes when the end of year points start getting added up and these *poor* scores are yet podium places..

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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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Man, such a great race by the Lion today. I have to imagine his race unfolded exactly how he would have scripted it other than the helmet snafu in T1. He was so beaten down after Augusta 70.3 last year and has completely turned it around in 6 months. One can only wish that he’d have done this swim focus block 8 or 9 years ago. Yes the wetsuit and salt water helped, but his gap to the front was very impressive, plus he doesn’t like cold water.

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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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B_Doughtie wrote:
Knibb racing these 1 off IM Series events will in actuality basically create outlier points for everyone else in a bad way. Again 2nd place is getting 1846, that's roughly same as 10th on the men today. That wont be anywhere close to the norm for other events, so it's actually kinda kick in the teeth type of finish for these podium athletes when the end of year points start getting added up and these *poor* scores are yet podium places..

Very true, she is a must avoid for the very few targeting the IM pro series? Dis any of the women in top 5 actually do that, dont think so?
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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [realbdeal] [ In reply to ]
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Is it too early to now say Lionel is an early favorite for Kona? I don't think so.

Favorite? Lol. Lionel still can’t handle the heat. But it seems perfectly reasonable to say that he showed today he could swim second pack in Kona and bike well enough to bridge with a Gustav/Magnus type move to catch the front pack and actually be in contention starting the run in Hawaii.
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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [MadTownTRI] [ In reply to ]
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What happened to the women’s field on the bike? Taylor crushed today but her time would have been 3rd last year. Were the conditions brutal? Crazy to have that gap and the time not be a course record by a mile.
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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [MadTownTRI] [ In reply to ]
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I ran 630-730 am near here..temp 46*
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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [JackStraw13] [ In reply to ]
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Man, such a great race by the Lion today. I have to imagine his race unfolded exactly how he would have scripted it other than the helmet snafu in T1. He was so beaten down after Augusta 70.3 last year and has completely turned it around in 6 months. One can only wish that he’d have done this swim focus block 8 or 9 years ago. Yes the wetsuit and salt water helped, but his gap to the front was very impressive, plus he doesn’t like cold water.

Remember when Lucy did her 50km swim weeks leading up to Kona on account of injury. Everyone underestimates the aerobic crossover to the bike from the swim. You just can't do the same intensity workload on the bike as in the swim day in and day out. That's gotta have helped Lionel access his bike fitness too. Just less close to his redline on the swim (having lifted it) could equate to less lactate to clear on bike and a generally more relaxed entry to T2
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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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How come EPB result deleted?

Did she get DQ?

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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [Scotttriguy] [ In reply to ]
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I figured she would by missing the course by getting lost; I think someone even mentioned she "gained"(?) time from that move? At this point in the game, when you don't do the course in pro triathlon, it's going to be a DQ almost 99.99% of the time these days. Espeically if you aren't led off the course by race personal, etc.

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Last edited by: B_Doughtie: Apr 6, 24 11:28
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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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B_Doughtie wrote:
Knibb racing these 1 off IM Series events will in actuality basically create outlier points for everyone else in a bad way. Again 2nd place is getting 1846, that's roughly same as 10th on the men today. That wont be anywhere close to the norm for other events, so it's actually kinda kick in the teeth type of finish for these podium athletes when the end of year points start getting added up and these *poor* scores are yet podium places..


Knibb is such an off-the-charts outlier at this distance, it’s almost not believable. If I saw this in a cycling race, or a running race… it would trigger my BS meter.

How should I reconcile this? Weak field? Lead moto drafting? Lack of depth in women’s 70.3 generally? Knibb is the greatest swim biker of all time?
Last edited by: MadTownTRI: Apr 6, 24 11:35
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Re: Oceanside Livestream and Race Day Posts (6 April) [synthetic] [ In reply to ]
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synthetic wrote:
I ran 630-730 am near here..temp 46*

That is pretty cold when riding wet. I think Knibb dressed up and the others did not?
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