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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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"There are many other ways to spend money to develop athletes" Perhaps you could suggest some? Take a pro licence and get a $20k handout?
One thing I've been about this whole thing is consistent. So either you've not paid attention or are just willing to forgive the nonsense. When they first came out and launched which was pre-pandemic. They pushed the message of being a representative body for athletes and still were incredibly aggressive towards Ironman . . . .
Is there more money in the ecosystem? I'd argue no. Sponsor money is drying up with a lot of brands sponsoring athletes less and less. First it was shoes, and now it's bikes. Sponsorship is pretty concentrated and even then how much are athletes getting from "The Feed" is up for debate.
The top end is still getting paid if not PAID. But money has fallen out of the bottom. So you want the sport to grow? That means there needs to be money in the lower tier. Olympic Distance non-draft no longer exists for pros.
So, yeah Development pros needed the 20k handout during the pandemic. Instead the Frodeno's of the world got 100k.
You could say that development of the professional game is not their responsibility and that it should fall on a federation and I'd argue against that. The mission of the federation is to grow the entire ecosystem. Not just professionals.
"When they [PTO] first came out"
You are consistent. You constantly reach back to the PTO of yesteryear and say they should've kept to their last decade objectives. We have moved on: recommend you do too.
"more money in the ecosystem? I'd argue no. Sponsor money is drying up"
The $7M invested in LC triathlon is hard cash. Its introduction (and NB $2M increase in 2024) and its catalytic effect on IM: getting them to stump up a completely 'new money' $1.7M can be added to that. I suggest you have no quantative insight into any reduction in partnership support but is the reduction anyway even remotely $8M? Perhaps you have an insight? Do share.
You reference an 'ecosystem'. We are saddled with one where there is no 'forced exit' strategy (back to amateur status) for wannabe pros who, after giving it a go, don't make it. After a couple of years and not making the top 200 (with 3 event scores): you're not a 'pro'. Not going sub-4 (sub 4:25 for WPro) or sub-8:15/9:30 at least once in a season . . .
Have scan of some of these: https://stats.protriathletes.org/rankings/men?nation=US
https://stats.protriathletes.org/...ings/women?nation=US
Other nations are available but it seems to me the USA licence handout is profligate and then sclerotic with an ineffective annual validation mechanism. Please disabuse me.
You "argue that" "development of the professional game is [the PTO's] responsibility"
I think PTO would argue that that responsibility (to the extent it exists) is shared with others and by their organisation of athletes and the construction of a lucrative top tier forcing (effectively) the best athletes to race one another more than bi-annually and thus opening the next level of events to the second tier pros to win money, they (the PTO) have executed their part to full effect. Rising tides and floating boats (but including flotsam) and all that.
Responsibility? Have a read of Dan's great 'open letter' to IRONMAN's new CEO:
https://www.slowtwitch.com/...gal_Status_8897.html
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Ajax Bay] [ In reply to ]
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A healthy sport is not 200 professionals in long distance triathlon. A healthy sport is likely 500+ professional licenses in long distance triathlon. I don't know the amount of professional licenses globally but I'm sure your snide comment to USAT's granting of licenses is pretty dumb. Their barrier to entry is high enough, yet reasonable enough for people to still chase it without coming through the junior development system. Which is what you want.

Yes, I read Dan's article. I haven't seen one that clearly targets Michael Moritz, the backer of the PTO and lectures him or Renouf, or Kermode, or Adamo. If we're going to hold people to account let's do it.

The problem with your posit is that trickle down economics don't work in individual sport. They work in team sports where you have minimum salaries, a salary floor, and a maximum salary and salary cap. So the journeyman who are healthy and the rookies still make decent coin and aren't still working as plumbers or pool guys while needing to put in 40 hour days at the practice facility (see Beckham documentary)

Ironman's mission is to its shareholders, just like PTO's is to its shareholders, so they don't really have a responsibility to the sport itself (although they should and the CEO of Ironman should consider himself a servant of the game). I can recognize that also see what the PTO has done and is doing is fleeting. Unless Michael is ready to throw 500M down the drain over 10 years (and he seems to be willing) it will be very hard to see this get anywhere and it probably won't get anywhere if we're being honest. And if he really is prepared to spend that coin, I want 20 minutes to pitch him the purchase of a rugby team for the bay area!

The top professionals will always get theirs, but if there isn't something at the bottom or in the middle to be a carrot this sport will continue to collapse.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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The funny thing about too many pro's or not enough pro's.

The only needs for actual pro's who meet a federation standard is in ITU because of the actual safety aspect of the sport (ask Hunter Kemper about that) that they race and the limited nature of start lists.

Long course racing being a "pro" only means you get to start at the front of the field. There's no real distinctness between an AG vs pro athlete with the setup of the sport on long course on race day....They all are racing the same damn race. But that's now how ITU is, so in reality, the number of pros in long course is irrelevant really. LC is an open race at the end of the day, it's just basically defining whether you win a medal or cash at the end of the day.

IE- Federations could be removed from the "pro qualification process" and simply give it to race organizations and give it to the top X athletes each year. Federations basically have no real need to "control" pro's that aren't actually doing federation support pathways (IE Olympic pathway or specific world champs). Here in the US, the LC world's is a joke, all the pro's go towards IM. So take out the federation need to grant LC pro's license all together. There's no real point in having a LC pro license. It doesn't really do anything for you other than allow you to check the box for pro dvision instead of AG division. Federations have to instill qualfication for the draft legal pathway for more obvious reasons. So there really is no need for "professionals" in LC triathlon; not in the same light as what federations are giving licenses for DL events.

Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
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-USAT Level II
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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A healthy sport is not 200 professionals in long distance triathlon. A healthy sport is likely 500+ professional licenses in long distance triathlon. I don't know the amount of professional licenses globally but I'm sure your snide comment to USAT's granting of licenses is pretty dumb. Their barrier to entry is high enough, yet reasonable enough for people to still chase it without coming through the junior development system. Which is what you want.

The problem with your posit is that trickle down economics don't work in individual sport.

The top professionals will always get theirs, but if there isn't something at the bottom or in the middle to be a carrot this sport will continue to collapse.
Thank you for your takes. I appreciate you plucked 500+ out of thin air but you may interested to hear that globally (on PTO data - which I have no more access to than you do, btw) there are over 800 male so-called professionals (long course) and over 400 women. To mirror your assessment: totally not healthy. Would not hundreds of these athletes get decent competition by racing in the amateur ranks as opposed to trailing in?
Why do you think my comment on USAT's profligate licence awarding and lack of annual validation is "dumb". Do you think USAT have it just right? Btw in doing a quick count up to estimate the global figure, Spain wins hands down (numbers not quality)! 152 male Spaniards have pro licences, eclipsing the USA's meagre 109 (Ger 91, Fra 85, Aus 59 and the parsimonious Brits: 38).
The threshold for granting and maintaining a pro licence should be sensible, clearly expressed, and then validated annually or biennially. Getting some kind of commonality across national federations an attractive but likely unachievable bonus.
"junior development system" No idea what you that is. Maybe you are confused.
"trickle down economics don't work in individual sport" What economic model would you suggest would work better for the long course sport and in particular to benefit "the bottom or the middle"? Hitting on the decent living the top 100 can make now and wanting it spread thinly (to 500!!!) seems a bit socialist to me.
This "sport will continue to collapse." This seems an extraordinarily pessimistic assessment which I really don't recognise.
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Ajax Bay] [ In reply to ]
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TheStroBro wrote:
A healthy sport is not 200 professionals in long distance triathlon. A healthy sport is likely 500+ professional licenses in long distance triathlon. I don't know the amount of professional licenses globally but I'm sure your snide comment to USAT's granting of licenses is pretty dumb. Their barrier to entry is high enough, yet reasonable enough for people to still chase it without coming through the junior development system. Which is what you want.

The problem with your posit is that trickle down economics don't work in individual sport.

The top professionals will always get theirs, but if there isn't something at the bottom or in the middle to be a carrot this sport will continue to collapse.
Thank you for your takes. I appreciate you plucked 500+ out of thin air but you may interested to hear that globally (on PTO data - which I have no more access to than you do, btw) there are over 800 male so-called professionals (long course) and over 400 women. To mirror your assessment: totally not healthy. Would not hundreds of these athletes get decent competition by racing in the amateur ranks as opposed to trailing in?
Why do you think my comment on USAT's profligate licence awarding and lack of annual validation is "dumb". Do you think USAT have it just right? Btw in doing a quick count up to estimate the global figure, Spain wins hands down (numbers not quality)! 152 male Spaniards have pro licences, eclipsing the USA's meagre 109 (Ger 91, Fra 85, Aus 59 and the parsimonious Brits: 38).
The threshold for granting and maintaining a pro licence should be sensible, clearly expressed, and then validated annually or biennially. Getting some kind of commonality across national federations an attractive but likely unachievable bonus.
"junior development system" No idea what you that is. Maybe you are confused.
"trickle down economics don't work in individual sport" What economic model would you suggest would work better for the long course sport and in particular to benefit "the bottom or the middle"? Hitting on the decent living the top 100 can make now and wanting it spread thinly (to 500!!!) seems a bit socialist to me.
This "sport will continue to collapse." This seems an extraordinarily pessimistic assessment which I really don't recognise.

I think validation is a very serious requirement, want to keep your pro license? You have to race at least one professional race per season, maybe it should be two? Example, Colleen Quigly has a professional license, but she hasn't raced professionally since earning that license.

Washed up footy player turned Triathlete.
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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USAT's validation process and qualification is fine currently as it is. It's gotten tighter in the past 10 years especially as qualifying races have fallen off the map. Essentially your only going to qualify at AG Nats, 70.3 or IM event with prize purse or DL pathway. 10 years ago they had all kinds of "backdoor" pathways. Validation process could maybe go from 3 year window to 2 year window, but it certainly could never become an year by year because that would be biased against women (pregnancy and/or injured athletes). I'd also like to see the numbers of federation members:elites and not just a running overall tally of elites; *shocking* that the US has among the most elite contigency in the sport....shocking i tell ya, little ole 'merica.

Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
-USAT Level II
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [B_Doughtie] [ In reply to ]
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The only needs for actual pro's who meet a federation standard is in ITU because of the actual safety aspect of the sport (ask Hunter Kemper about that) that they race and the limited nature of start lists.

Long course racing being a "pro" only means you get to start at the front of the field. There's no real distinctness between an AG vs pro athlete with the setup of the sport on long course on race day....They all are racing the same damn race. But that's now how ITU is, so in reality, the number of pros in long course is irrelevant really. LC is an open race at the end of the day, it's just basically defining whether you win a medal or cash at the end of the day.



I think you touch here on one of the main 'limiters' of short course racing and its (lesser?)ability to cut through with the triathlon audience. It's also a limiter for development pathways. For example here in Australia (and it's similar in the US with big distances to cover to get to races with junior triathletes scattered across the country) draft legal racing opportunities are rare and it hinders development of youth, junior and U23 athletes that are not quite at the conti cup level or above. One of our race directors who had tried to put out a series of domestic elite/U23/Junior races just pulled the plug due to too low numbers of attendance. Hard for developing juniors/U23s to race across the country without any sponsors or revenue. You need more local racing opportunities, but that would require more participation levels in our sport. The solution would be to mix it with age groupers and afford them the ability to race draft legal. But for some reason there is a fear to do this (when it's not really more dangerous than cycling crits).

Sorry I've gone on a tangent, doesn't really belong in the T100 thread.
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Im the head coach of a NCAA varsity tri team. One of the local events is going to add an "draft legal" wave with a rolling closure support (cop in front of group, cop in back of group), similiar to how pretty much all road cycling races are managed here in the States. It's now in trouble of being permitted because that doesnt fit into the normal cute box of what an AG permit is. Sighs......

and now back to T100.....as Nick in another thread said....the northern hemisphere of racing can't get here fast enough...

Brooks Doughtie, M.S.
Exercise Physiology
-USAT Level II
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Ajax Bay] [ In reply to ]
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Ajax Bay wrote:
TheStroBro wrote:
A healthy sport is not 200 professionals in long distance triathlon. A healthy sport is likely 500+ professional licenses in long distance triathlon. I don't know the amount of professional licenses globally but I'm sure your snide comment to USAT's granting of licenses is pretty dumb. Their barrier to entry is high enough, yet reasonable enough for people to still chase it without coming through the junior development system. Which is what you want.

The problem with your posit is that trickle down economics don't work in individual sport.

The top professionals will always get theirs, but if there isn't something at the bottom or in the middle to be a carrot this sport will continue to collapse.
Thank you for your takes. I appreciate you plucked 500+ out of thin air but you may interested to hear that globally (on PTO data - which I have no more access to than you do, btw) there are over 800 male so-called professionals (long course) and over 400 women. To mirror your assessment: totally not healthy. Would not hundreds of these athletes get decent competition by racing in the amateur ranks as opposed to trailing in?
Why do you think my comment on USAT's profligate licence awarding and lack of annual validation is "dumb". Do you think USAT have it just right? Btw in doing a quick count up to estimate the global figure, Spain wins hands down (numbers not quality)! 152 male Spaniards have pro licences, eclipsing the USA's meagre 109 (Ger 91, Fra 85, Aus 59 and the parsimonious Brits: 38).
The threshold for granting and maintaining a pro licence should be sensible, clearly expressed, and then validated annually or biennially. Getting some kind of commonality across national federations an attractive but likely unachievable bonus.
"junior development system" No idea what you that is. Maybe you are confused.
"trickle down economics don't work in individual sport" What economic model would you suggest would work better for the long course sport and in particular to benefit "the bottom or the middle"? Hitting on the decent living the top 100 can make now and wanting it spread thinly (to 500!!!) seems a bit socialist to me.
This "sport will continue to collapse." This seems an extraordinarily pessimistic assessment which I really don't recognise.

The spanish federation don't have pro licence, that number of licences must be the people with some support from federation or goberments. But in Spain we don't have pro licence.

Sorry if my english is pretty bad, I am not english native
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [TheStroBro] [ In reply to ]
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I largely agree with you. There are ample, if not excessive pros, and the variation in national criteria is an issue. In almost all cases the national governing bodies offer zero support to long distance pros so my question is; Why should they set the criteria?

The British Triathlon Federation recently adjusted their policy relating to gateway race, allowing any non pro on the podium at three different outlaw races (backdated to include 2023) a licence providing they are within 4% of the winner. Given pro athletes extremely rarely race these events now that's a possible 18 pro licences a year where athletes have had zero comparison to professionals.

The issue arrises at events like IRONMAN Texas this year where I expect we will see over 100 male pros. Before anyone asks why that's a problem, it's because they will all likely exit the water within 10minutes and the leading pro women will catch a large number of these. To the point of "healthy sport" it isn't helpful to have professional athletes routinely finishing 15% behind the leaders with men beaten comfortably by women. It devalues the category and confuses the public with "Pro Athletes" trading on that status with nothing more than a local awarded licence to back it up.

It's wishful thinking but World Triathlon, alongside IRONMAN and the PTO should set a percentage vs prize money based system (similar to the British non gateway event) system that is globally accepted. Para 2.3 here - https://www.britishtriathlon.org/...o-license-policy.pdf

Incidentally IMO "Professional Triathletes" are only thus once earning a significant portion of their income from triathlon. Failing that you are an Elite Triathlete.
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Diabolo] [ In reply to ]
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Diabolo wrote:
B_Doughtie wrote:
Long course racing being a "pro" only means you get to start at the front of the field. There's no real distinctness between an AG vs pro athlete with the setup of the sport on long course on race day....They all are racing the same damn race. But that's now how ITU is, so in reality, the number of pros in long course is irrelevant really. LC is an open race at the end of the day, it's just basically defining whether you win a medal or cash at the end of the day.
Sorry I've gone on a tangent, doesn't really belong in the T100 thread.
Mild apologies for setting that off and agree we have failed to keep to the T100 course.
Agree with Brooks on the practical effect of pro licence possession: start in first wave.
@TheStroBro argued that the PTO funds are going disproportionately to the top 20+20. And that a greater proportion of the available money should go to middle and new "professionals" because that would benefit the sport more.
I sought to point out that there needs to be a (consistent(ish) worldwide) limit to the category of 'professional' and suggested some way to define it (think @tritalkingfacts definition is unworkable btw). Might start a new thread on licensing and biennial validation, but it's a bit arcane.
ferluinavela wrote:
The spanish federation doesn't have pro licence. That number of licences [male: 800+ world / 152 FET] must be the people with some support from federation or government. But in Spain we don't have pro licence.
The UK doesn't issue pro licences either, but it provides a letter in lieu (per policy shared upthread).
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Ajax Bay] [ In reply to ]
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Ajax,

My bottom para definition isn't a proposed method of granting a licence, more an observation.

I think a World Triathlon standardised performance based criteria needs to be sought. Something inline with a percentage behind winner system.

To this point:

@TheStroBro argued that the PTO funds are going disproportionately to the top 20+20. And that a greater proportion of the available money should go to middle and new "professionals" because that would benefit the sport more.

The PTO doesn't exist to help the sport and professional athletes of all standards. Its aim is to monetise long distance triathletes by showcasing the best in the sport at marketable events. Whether you think that will work or not is neither here nor there that is their goal. They aren't a charity.
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I have been perusing the TRI 2024 Rules (catalyst: Skipper's instawhine)
https://www.triathlon.org/...es_2024_20240219.pdf
Go to end (p204) for the T100 Rule appendix (V).
NB 3 minute penalty for drafting
Miami start list . . .
https://triathlon.org/...ld_tour_miami/638333
https://triathlon.org/...ld_tour_miami/638334

https://www.triathlon.org/...ia_2024_20240219.pdf
2.1. Start Lists will contain a maximum of 20 athletes [contracted first on list]

3. Start Lists and Waiting Lists management procedures:
3.1. National Federations may include athletes in the waiting list at any moment.
3.2. Start lists will be created the first Tuesday before 30 days before the event.
3.3. All athletes entered in the waiting list will be sorted as follows:
a) First by Athletes offered permanent qualification slots.
b) Then Athletes without permanent qualification slots but ranked according to the
PTO World Ranking points
.
c) Then Athletes . . . sorted as one per National Federation in
alphabetical order of the IOC country code, starting with the host National
Federation. . . .
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3.2. Start lists will be created the first Tuesday before 30 days before the event.



Tick...tick...tick.....
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Ajax Bay] [ In reply to ]
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Ajax Bay wrote:
I have been perusing the TRI 2024 Rules (catalyst: Skipper's instawhine)
https://www.triathlon.org/...es_2024_20240219.pdf
Go to end (p204) for the T100 Rule appendix (V).
NB 3 minute penalty for drafting
Miami start list . . .
https://triathlon.org/...ld_tour_miami/638333
https://triathlon.org/...ld_tour_miami/638334

https://www.triathlon.org/...ia_2024_20240219.pdf
2.1. Start Lists will contain a maximum of 20 athletes [contracted first on list]

3. Start Lists and Waiting Lists management procedures:
3.1. National Federations may include athletes in the waiting list at any moment.
3.2. Start lists will be created the first Tuesday before 30 days before the event.
3.3. All athletes entered in the waiting list will be sorted as follows:
a) First by Athletes offered permanent qualification slots.
b) Then Athletes without permanent qualification slots but ranked according to the
PTO World Ranking points
.
c) Then Athletes . . . sorted as one per National Federation in
alphabetical order of the IOC country code, starting with the host National
Federation. . . .

who are the athletes in a
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pk wrote:
Ajax Bay wrote:
Appendix V: T100 3. Start Lists and Waiting Lists management procedures:
3.1. National Federations may include athletes in the waiting list at any moment.
3.2. Start lists will be created the first Tuesday before 30 days before the event.
who are the athletes in a
Will you finish that question 30 days before the next but one event?
Some lazy cut and pasting being done here by TRI (World Triathlon and PTO combo). What they need is a sub-editor who gaf. As do BTA for spelling licence license when addressing licensing.
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Ajax Bay wrote:
pk wrote:
Ajax Bay wrote:
Appendix V: T100 3. Start Lists and Waiting Lists management procedures:
3.1. National Federations may include athletes in the waiting list at any moment.
3.2. Start lists will be created the first Tuesday before 30 days before the event.
who are the athletes in a
Will you finish that question 30 days before the next but one event?
Some lazy cut and pasting being done here by TRI (World Triathlon and PTO combo). What they need is a sub-editor who gaf. As do BTA for spelling licence license when addressing licensing.

correct me but if i read this right there are athletes that are offered a permanent slot on the top of the waiting list
one would assume blummefeld wild sanders iden in the males bit harder to see who the females are for this. ie there should be a list who are those permanent athletes by pto .



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I imagine if Gwen asked for a start she’d get it.
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https://albachiara.net/...-22-february-2024-2/
pk wrote:
Ajax Bay wrote:
pk wrote:
Ajax Bay wrote:
I have been perusing the TRI 2024 Rules
https://www.triathlon.org/...es_2024_20240219.pdf
Go to end (p204) for the T100 Rule appendix (V).

2.1. Start Lists will contain a maximum of 20 athletes [contracted first on list]

3. Start Lists and Waiting Lists management procedures:
3.1. National Federations may include athletes in the waiting list at any moment.
3.2. Start lists will be created the first Tuesday before 30 days before the event.
3.3. All athletes entered in the waiting list will be sorted as follows:
a) First by Athletes offered permanent qualification slots.
b) Then Athletes without permanent qualification slots but ranked according to the
PTO World Ranking points
.
c) Then Athletes . . . sorted as one per National Federation in
alphabetical order of the IOC country code, starting with the host National
Federation. . . .
correct me but if i read this right there are athletes that are offered a permanent slot on the top of the waiting list
one would assume blummefeld wild sanders iden in the males bit harder to see who the females are for this. ie there should be a list who are those permanent athletes by pto.
As I read this (and as I understand PTO are identifying the Miami wildcards) The 20 contracted athletes are being asked 4 weeks out to confirm they'll start or they won't. (#2.1 above)
Then #3.3.a) All athletes who PTO offered contracts to but they chose not to take/sign e.g. KB, PL, LS, HW, not sure in women: no obvious (to me) ones; Norden maybe (Olympic medallist), some current WTCS top 10, with a Paris 3+1 provision? Don't think many refused (?True, Langridge?)
Then #3.3.b) Just go down the PTO rankings. Simmonds said on podcast that an athlete mid-20s ranking was offered a wildcard a couple of days ago and have heard (?where) that Sara Perez has taken one (PTO #27).
Then #3.3.c) They will never get to #3.3 c) which is just a lazy cut and paste from short course natfed waiting list stuff (Brooks is expert).

As for random WTCS female athletes swooping in, few currently are like Knibb. Most short course prefer wheel sucking. Apart from Gentle and Norden, no top* ITU female athletes have achieved traction in middle/long distance in 10 years. Spivey should make it, but where are the others? *("top" excludes Haug btw 'cos when she left ITU she wasn't)
Do you think WTCS women will take a couple of years off (or doubling up KB style) and then go back to standard/sprint in time to compete for places in their national teams for LA? Here's the WTCS ranking list, with ages:
https://triathlon.org/...onship_series/female
?? van Coevorden, Rappaport, Kasper, Derron ?

Maybe the T100 (money) changes the goalposts and attracts athletes to go long, but getting a contract for 2025 will be nigh impossible for any post Olympics athlete (other than gold medallist) not currently contracted. Needs effort (and Marbella, or even Kona, and T100 wildcards in 2025) to get a contract in 2026. Or an Olympic gold medal.

Agree with @pk on this (amended): "there should be a wait list of athletes (iaw procedure laid out) maintained by PTO". Good practice and I hope PTO have started this ready for equal missing athlete numbers for a 2pm hot/humid nightmare in Singapore.
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. . . . Wait for it . . . 11 days to go
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I don't think Gwen even owns a TT bike nor has really ridden one. I remember Patrick - her husband - saying she 'wouldn't know what to do with those funny bars at the end of her bike' in regards to a TT bike.

I think she is of course all-in on the 2024 summer games and not much beyond that right now.
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Has the full Miami field been announced yet? I cannot find that.

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Their insta story had a road sign with a goat…

Could it be?

Prediction: Brownlee front pack swim, leads off the bike, 5th.

Actual prediction: Brownlee to DNS
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [milesthedog] [ In reply to ]
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milesthedog wrote:
Has the full Miami field been announced yet? I cannot find that.


No. 30 days prior.....or a week.
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [milesthedog] [ In reply to ]
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milesthedog wrote:
Has the full Miami field been announced yet? I cannot find that.
https://stats.protriathletes.org/race/miami-t100/2024/participants (No, but keep refreshing that link!)
Keulen (Race Ranger edition), for sure. And some WPRO fish.
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