Do you or anybody know, if there's one comprehensive golden source for these type of data? All triathletes: short course, T100 and IM Pro Series?
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Lagoon]
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [runningeconomy]
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runningeconomy wrote:
I just listened to the latest PTN pod and Jack Kelly's episode with Tim Hemming. I'm sure the PTO is pissed with the timing especially since it puts into question Youri Keulen's performance even if it was not the intention of the post. But PTN are right to highlight the issue since PTO has long promised to improve their anti-doping program following the Collin Chartier incident.
It was good that Tim Hemming was in the doping episode to balance out Jack's tendency to over-exaggerate. [he] was right to point out that the PTO doesn't have to reinvent the wheel and that IM has invested a lot in testing and we can't expect them to subsidize the PTO by testing their contracted athletes.
I've already shared what the contracted athletes had been assured (in December) but here:
Q. What will the Anti-Doping process be for the Tour
A. As part of our relationship with World Triathlon we are expanding our anti doping initiative to include an out of competition program for those racing. We will share full details of this at the launch event in January. [They didn't]
It sounded from Kelly (though admit I may have missed stuff as I was on +30sec button when he started talking, scrolling through till Heming detected) that he has craic that the PTO will announce their plan in good time before San Francisco (start list out next week (?Laundry, van Riel, Philipp, Haug, ?Spivey)).
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Michal_CH]
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Nope. It's all piecemeal.
For instance, IRONMAN's pool can be found here: https://www.ironman.com/anti-doping-testing
Trying to track down USADA / USAT, on who is in either the RTP versus the CAP versus nothing at all, is proving more elusive.
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For instance, IRONMAN's pool can be found here: https://www.ironman.com/anti-doping-testing
Trying to track down USADA / USAT, on who is in either the RTP versus the CAP versus nothing at all, is proving more elusive.
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Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [rrheisler]
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rrheisler wrote:
Nope. It's all piecemeal. For instance, IRONMAN's pool can be found here: https://www.ironman.com/anti-doping-testing Trying to track down USADA / USAT, on who is in either the RTP versus the CAP versus nothing at all, is proving more elusive.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Ajax Bay]
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So it looks like Youri Keulen has been offered a ‘permanent wildcard’ for the remainder of the T100 Tour.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [WhittleFit]
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As he should. He’s earned that spot. Hopefully he doesn’t flame out towards the end of the year.
Will be interesting to see who gets the SF wild cards, but I’m even more interested in what the course will look like.
Will be interesting to see who gets the SF wild cards, but I’m even more interested in what the course will look like.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Lagoon]
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Lagoon wrote:
.............but I’m even more interested in what the course will look like.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [WhittleFit]
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WhittleFit wrote:
So it looks like Youri Keulen has been offered a ‘permanent wildcard’ for the remainder of the T100 Tour.And with the points already gained he's assured of a start in the Grand Final (even scoring only 2 races).
So maybe this is just confirming this circumstance.
Chura and Visser are the best non-contracted WPros but not the same 'stand out' results over Miami + Singapore but their current ranking means they'll be top of the wildcard list (at #20 and #19). Visser has her IMWCQ for Nice: Chura: not yet.
https://t100triathlon.com/pro-series-explainer/
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Ajax Bay]
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Ajax Bay wrote:
WhittleFit wrote:
So it looks like Youri Keulen has been offered a ‘permanent wildcard’ for the remainder of the T100 Tour.And with the points already gained he's assured of a start in the Grand Final (even scoring only 2 races).
So maybe this is just confirming this circumstance.
Chura and Visser are the best non-contracted WPros but not the same 'stand out' results over Miami + Singapore but their current ranking means they'll be top of the wildcard list (at #20 and #19). Visser has her IMWCQ for Nice: Chura: not yet.
I think in practice the only difference is that he'll probably have a guaranteed salary going forward.
By the way, still waiting for the salaries to be shared by Sam Renouf. Another one of his promises he "forgot" about.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [WhittleFit]
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The course is finalized, just not yet published... the bike is going to be hilly!
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [sfjab]
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sfjab wrote:
The [T100 San Francisco] course is finalized, just not yet published... the bike is going to be hilly!Speculation: "T1 at Marina Green, out-and-back laps, heading west past Crissy Field via Marina Boulevard. Climb to Lincoln Blvd, traveling through the Presidio to Camino del Mar and up the hill to the Palace of the Legion of Honor."
Compare this with 70.3 St George: about 1000m (including Snow Canyon) in 90km.
And this after a swim from the island.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [sfjab]
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sfjab wrote:
The course is finalized, just not yet published... the bike is going to be hilly!
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [WhittleFit]
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WhittleFit wrote:
sfjab wrote:
The course is finalized, just not yet published... the bike is going to be hilly!Why not publish the course? Still not got permits from the local authority?
Because the T100/PTO motto is "overpromise, underdeliver" when it comes to updates/news.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [pier87]
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pier87 wrote:
Ajax Bay wrote:
WhittleFit wrote:
So it looks like Youri Keulen has been offered a ‘permanent wildcard’ for the remainder of the T100 Tour.And with the points already gained he's assured of a start in the Grand Final (even scoring only 2 races).
So maybe this is just confirming this circumstance.
Chura and Visser are the best non-contracted WPros but not the same 'stand out' results over Miami + Singapore but their current ranking means they'll be top of the wildcard list (at #20 and #19). Visser has her IMWCQ for Nice: Chura: not yet.
I think in practice the only difference is that he'll probably have a guaranteed salary going forward.
By the way, still waiting for the salaries to be shared by Sam Renouf. Another one of his promises he "forgot" about.
I would guess the athletes have non disclosure on that. And if PTO releases that data it will make them look bad when they cut it next year, as they likely will.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Lurker4]
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Lurker4 wrote:
pier87 wrote:
Ajax Bay wrote:
WhittleFit wrote:
So it looks like Youri Keulen has been offered a ‘permanent wildcard’ for the remainder of the T100 Tour.And with the points already gained he's assured of a start in the Grand Final (even scoring only 2 races).
So maybe this is just confirming this circumstance.
Chura and Visser are the best non-contracted WPros but not the same 'stand out' results over Miami + Singapore but their current ranking means they'll be top of the wildcard list (at #20 and #19). Visser has her IMWCQ for Nice: Chura: not yet.
I think in practice the only difference is that he'll probably have a guaranteed salary going forward.
By the way, still waiting for the salaries to be shared by Sam Renouf. Another one of his promises he "forgot" about.
I would guess the athletes have non disclosure on that. And if PTO releases that data it will make them look bad when they cut it next year, as they likely will.
Then maybe pto should not have promised to realease them... And not only once did renoufe say he would publish them.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [pk]
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pk wrote:
Lurker4 wrote:
pier87 wrote:
I think in practice the only difference is that he'll probably have a guaranteed salary going forward. By the way, still waiting for the salaries to be shared by Sam Renouf. Another one of his promises he "forgot" about.
- Location of Grand Final (some leakage already)
- Activation of a drug testing programme for T100 athletes
- Reveal of contract
- Story behind Malibu donation (not going to be a T100 venue)
Here's what Renouf said (on the main ProTriNews interview the day after they shared all the T100 details):
https://podcasts.apple.com/...1865?i=1000643541010
@31:16
Q:"will you tell the public the contract fees"
A: "Yes. not straight away; news to come out. No 'back room dealing'. All those offered contracts know who is getting what."
[up front contractual payments, 'marketing contracts' $xxk, prize money per race (min $2.5k plus all on site expenses covered) plus end of series balance (if contract commitment [start 5 + GF] achieved) plus a T100 points based share of the $2M prize pool at the end.]
"At the right time that can be part of the narrative."
@32:50 Drug testing: "clear plan for doing this, in and OOC programme, in conjunction with World Triathlon, for all T100 athletes and also [lower ranked] others" (inferentially those liable to get wildcards).
"at the right time that can be part of the narrative"
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Ajax Bay]
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Ajax Bay wrote:
- Story behind Malibu donation (not going to be a T100 venue)
Sam already answered this one though he didn't really address why they chose one RD over another. The PTOs aim is the grow the sport and to do that they need to get more eyeballs on the spot. Celebrities are a terrific way to get eyeballs on something and Malibu is the most celebrity filled race so its existence is important to the PTO.
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Ajax Bay wrote:
sfjab wrote:
The [T100 San Francisco] course is finalized, just not yet published... the bike is going to be hilly!Speculation: "T1 at Marina Green, out-and-back laps, heading west past Crissy Field via Marina Boulevard. Climb to Lincoln Blvd, traveling through the Presidio to Camino del Mar and up the hill to the Palace of the Legion of Honor."
Compare this with 70.3 St George: about 1000m (including Snow Canyon) in 90km.
And this after a swim from offshore of the island.
Estimate of T100 loop: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/46488900
Is too far for 6 full loops and five would leave it short (of 80km).
T100: 2km/80km/18km
EfA: 2.4km/26km/13km
The main schedule is here:
https://www.escapealcatraztri.com/...information/schedule
and shows "T100 race" starting at 6am Saturday. But that's the men: the women are racing on Sunday, presumably similar start time, so that the main event can proceed.
6:30 start (say)
7:00 - all out of water (2000m, EfA is longer ?2400m)
7:05 - exit T1
8:50 - last athlete starts last lap
9:15 - all back to T2
10:20 - top 10 have finished
The main event start is shown as 7am on the schedule, but that would:
- put them cycling on the same course at the same time as the T100
- and finishing before the T100 (assume same finish chute), so that's a no-no.
So maybe they'll delay that start to (say) 8:30am and recognise that the main event bike loop goes a lot further. At least the first 10 in T100 run need to finish before the main event winner.
How about:
8:30 start
9:00 - first out of water (Dubrick in 2023)
9:04 - exit T1
9:50 - first @ T2 and onto run
10:35 - finish
https://www.escapealcatraztri.com/...2023#/race/XAhKkW/1/
Vittória Lopes (de Mello) won the FPro race (NB swimming with Lagerstrom and Mattox!)
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Ajax Bay]
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Ajax Bay wrote:
Ajax Bay wrote:
sfjab wrote:
The [T100 San Francisco] course is finalized, just not yet published... the bike is going to be hilly!Speculation: "T1 at Marina Green, out-and-back laps, heading west past Crissy Field via Marina Boulevard. Climb to Lincoln Blvd, traveling through the Presidio to Camino del Mar and up the hill to the Palace of the Legion of Honor."
Compare this with 70.3 St George: about 1000m (including Snow Canyon) in 90km.
And this after a swim from offshore of the island.
Estimate of T100 loop: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/46488900
Is too far for 6 full loops and five would leave it short (of 80km).
T100: 2km/80km/18km
EfA: 2.4km/26km/13km
The main schedule is here:
https://www.escapealcatraztri.com/...information/schedule
and shows "T100 race" starting at 6am Saturday. But that's the men: the women are racing on Sunday, presumably similar start time, so that the main event can proceed.
6:30 start (say)
7:00 - all out of water (2000m, EfA is longer ?2400m)
7:05 - exit T1
8:50 - last athlete starts last lap
9:15 - all back to T2
10:20 - top 10 have finished
The main event start is shown as 7am on the schedule, but that would:
- put them cycling on the same course at the same time as the T100
- and finishing before the T100 (assume same finish chute), so that's a no-no.
So maybe they'll delay that start to (say) 8:30am and recognise that the main event bike loop goes a lot further. At least the first 10 in T100 run need to finish before the main event winner.
How about:
8:30 start
9:00 - first out of water (Dubrick in 2023)
9:04 - exit T1
9:50 - first @ T2 and onto run
10:35 - finish
https://www.escapealcatraztri.com/...2023#/race/XAhKkW/1/
Vittória Lopes (de Mello) won the FPro race (NB swimming with Lagerstrom and Mattox!)
It looks like from the link you provided, with the escape from Alcatraz timeline, both men and women will be racing on Saturday. On Sunday they don’t have anything about the t100 race happening.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [An_apple]
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An_apple wrote:
Ajax Bay wrote:
Ajax Bay wrote:
sfjab wrote:
The [T100 San Francisco] course is finalized, just not yet published... the bike is going to be hilly!Speculation: "T1 at Marina Green, out-and-back laps, heading west past Crissy Field via Marina Boulevard. Climb to Lincoln Blvd, traveling through the Presidio to Camino del Mar and up the hill to the Palace of the Legion of Honor."
Compare this with 70.3 St George: about 1000m (including Snow Canyon) in 90km.
And this after a swim from offshore of the island.
Normal course (merely for reference): https://www.escapealcatraztri.com/...formation/the-course
Estimate of T100 loop: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/46488900
Is too far for 6 full loops and five would leave it short (of 80km).
T100: 2km/80km/18km
EfA: 2.4km/26km/13km
The main schedule is here:
https://www.escapealcatraztri.com/...information/schedule
and shows "T100 race" starting at 6am Saturday. But that's the men: the women are racing on Sunday, presumably similar start time, so that the main event can proceed.
6:30 start (say)
7:00 - all out of water (2000m, EfA is longer ?2400m)
7:05 - exit T1
8:50 - last athlete starts last lap
9:15 - all back to T2
10:20 - top 10 have finished
The main event start is shown as 7am on the schedule, but that would:
- put them cycling on the same course at the same time as the T100
- and finishing before the T100 (assume same finish chute), so that's a no-no.
So maybe they'll delay that start to (say) 8:30am and recognise that the main event bike loop goes a lot further. At least the first 10 in T100 run need to finish before the main event winner.
How about:
8:30 start
9:00 - first out of water (Dubrick in 2023)
9:04 - exit T1
9:50 - first @ T2 and onto run
10:35 - finish
https://www.escapealcatraztri.com/...2023#/race/XAhKkW/1/
Vittória Lopes (de Mello) won the FPro race (NB swimming with Lagerstrom and Mattox!)
It looks like from the link you provided, with the escape from Alcatraz timeline, both men and women will be racing on Saturday. On Sunday they don’t have anything about the t100 race happening.
Doubt they can close roads in San Francisco 2 days.
Let food be thy medicine...
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [JackStraw13]
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The pro race is on Saturday (men and women) starting at 6am for the men… amateurs race on Sunday.
I expect more details to be published next week along with start lists.
I expect more details to be published next week along with start lists.
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [sfjab]
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sfjab wrote:
The pro race is on Saturday (men and women) starting at 6am for the men… amateurs race on Sunday. I expect more details to be published next week along with start lists.
And PTO have advertised the race(s) as 8&9 June.
https://t100triathlon.com/ and scroll down.
The road closures for 8 June are shown via
https://data.sfgov.org/...osures-Map/98cv-qtqk
6535180 960859 Escape from Alcatraz Triathlon - PTO Special Event Permitted 08/06/2024 03:00:00 08/06/2024 03:00 08/06/2024 11:00:00
But only till 11am: so no time for the women to race, after the men (who race 6am- 9:30am).
In due course; start list: https://www.triathlon.org/...san_francisco/641653
Re: T100 Triathlon World Tour (PTO 2024) [Ajax Bay]
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It’s going to be a similar start time format to how Ibiza was last year for the pros. Men at 6 then women 30-40 minutes after.
An_apple wrote:
It’s going to be a similar start time format to how Ibiza was last year for the pros. Men at 6 then women 30-40 minutes after.