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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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Another question...

Does it have the road bike feel like everyone is saying, or does it still have the tri bike feel? Handling wise I should qualify I guess.

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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [damon.lebeouf] [ In reply to ]
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damon.lebeouf wrote:
Another question...

Does it have the road bike feel like everyone is saying, or does it still have the tri bike feel? Handling wise I should qualify I guess.

Who says its feels like a road bike! lol. No its feels like a TT bike 100%. Having the base bar so wide does throw me off though as well. Trek and Cevelo base bars must be at min 1in less wide. Having this wide base bar also affects handling and climbing I found since when you put a lot of pressure (when climbing) it seems to torque the bike more. Would have loved to see more interchangeable parts on base bar to make it not as wide.

That being sad I think it handles superior to the Felt FRD I had and feels less tank like compared to the Trek.

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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [Toothengineer] [ In reply to ]
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Cool! All the pros at release were saying it handled a lot like the venge and not like the old shiv. Marketing I guess.

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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [damon.lebeouf] [ In reply to ]
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Now I was not riding it with the hydration in the back guess that could affect handling some.

I am also comparing to my other TT bikes, a gen 1 venge and a new madone. It’s just comparing apples to oranges to look at this vs a road bike in handling.

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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [GatorRacer] [ In reply to ]
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Hi all.

My seat post according to retul is 758mm. Would somebody be able to tell me the amount of space I would have between my seat and the top of the water reservoir cover at the back. Would I be able to have a bottle fitted in between the two? ( similar set up as on this webpage https://www.triathlete.com/...rks-shiv-disc_377645.

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Any news on Shimano 12 for tt bikes by any chance?
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [Andyukr] [ In reply to ]
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Andyukr wrote:
Hi all.

My seat post according to retul is 758mm. Would somebody be able to tell me the amount of space I would have between my seat and the top of the water reservoir cover at the back. Would I be able to have a bottle fitted in between the two? ( similar set up as on this webpage https://www.triathlete.com/...rks-shiv-disc_377645.

Hi Andyukr,

On a size Medium frame with your saddle height, you would have ~6mm depending on type of saddle, etc...A bottle would technically fit like you show on Tim Don's bike but it would take some mounting creativity as a cage may be difficult to fit in there.

You could do a more upright bottle position, but this makes leg swing over a bit more tricky

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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [GatorRacer] [ In reply to ]
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Are you trying to come up with a solution for a rear water bottle? I saw some of the Zwift academy folks and a few other guys at Kona do this like Tim Don, but I think it's pretty temporary. You hit bumps or get some strong winds and that bottle won't stay.

Lucy Charles had a set up at Kona this year from Vision that allowed for two bottles on either side of the sail. I've set it up on my bike and it works for extra water at IM distance, however it does make filling the bladder a bit tricky. It can be done without issue, you just need to have good aim!
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [spectrum5825] [ In reply to ]
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Are you trying to come up with a solution for a rear water bottle? I saw some of the Zwift academy folks and a few other guys at Kona do this like Tim Don, but I think it's pretty temporary. You hit bumps or get some strong winds and that bottle won't stay.

Lucy Charles had a set up at Kona this year from Vision that allowed for two bottles on either side of the sail. I've set it up on my bike and it works for extra water at IM distance, however it does make filling the bladder a bit tricky. It can be done without issue, you just need to have good aim!

i think this is the one she was using.

https://shop.visiontechusa.com/...ear-hydration-system

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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [damon.lebeouf] [ In reply to ]
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yes. I confirmed with Vision and is also the one I purchased. They make a carbon and not carbon version. Both fit.
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [spectrum5825] [ In reply to ]
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Huge thanks!
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [GatorRacer] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you very much for your reply!
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [Andyukr] [ In reply to ]
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I have just ordered a Shiv TT disc and I’m very excited for this! I have noticed that stack is 495 mm in all size (S M L) and maybe is a little bit low. I notice that handlebar have a slight tilt up so maybe it compensate a little bit the low stack. Do you think it could be possible to put a 1cm spacer under the stem (that is a traditional stem)
Sorry for my english!



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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [enricobraglia] [ In reply to ]
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enricobraglia wrote:
I have just ordered a Shiv TT disc and I’m very excited for this! I have noticed that stack is 495 mm in all size (S M L) and maybe is a little bit low. I notice that handlebar have a slight tilt up so maybe it compensate a little bit the low stack. Do you think it could be possible to put a 1cm spacer under the stem (that is a traditional stem)
Sorry for my english!

Hi enricobraglia, no you cannot do this. The steerer is cut from the factory as-designed to be flush...if you were to try and space the cockpit system up, you would not have enough steerer to efficiently clamp the system.

The bike is designed to stack from the pedestals, and not the basebar.
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [enricobraglia] [ In reply to ]
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No.

The cockpit is designed around the flush stem/bar combination. You can adjust stack using the plethora of included spacers

I'm really enjoying my Shiv TT, but have a few recommendations.
1) the Stock arm pads/cups are genuinely awful - 51 Speedshop or Aerocoach replacements are much better, IMHO
2) I really wish the basebar width was significantly narrower, and dropped away from the rider.
3) If you're going to rebuild it with Di2, the inside of the basebar gets awfully cramped, and it can be hard to get everything in there and get the stem cap down. Instead of following the specialized recommended Di2 eTube length recommendations, measure it and get the size you actually need.
4) It should have come with Di2 from the factory.
5) The website shows that it comes with an extra Turbo Cotton tire for the disc - it does not.
6) The Sitero will probably not work for you. I went to Boulder and had a fit at the Specialized center, and the guy that fit me said that nobody he's fit to one has kept the saddle.
7) Disc Brakes on a TT bike are the greatest thing ever.
8) It will clear 32 Road tires, barely.
9) But seriously, Disc brakes on a TT bike are the greatest thing ever.
10) There aren't many out there. I had a specialized store tell me that the bike was counterfeit and that Specialized wasn't making a Shiv TT any more, much less one in Disc. So...best to make sure whomever you have service/build it has a factory manual for the bike.
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [GatorRacer] [ In reply to ]
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GatorRacer wrote:
enricobraglia wrote:
I have just ordered a Shiv TT disc and I’m very excited for this! I have noticed that stack is 495 mm in all size (S M L) and maybe is a little bit low. I notice that handlebar have a slight tilt up so maybe it compensate a little bit the low stack. Do you think it could be possible to put a 1cm spacer under the stem (that is a traditional stem)
Sorry for my english!


Hi enricobraglia, no you cannot do this. The steerer is cut from the factory as-designed to be flush...if you were to try and space the cockpit system up, you would not have enough steerer to efficiently clamp the system.

The bike is designed to stack from the pedestals, and not the basebar.

Thank you! Maybe the handlebar can gain some mm of stack?

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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [RKW] [ In reply to ]
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No.

The cockpit is designed around the flush stem/bar combination. You can adjust stack using the plethora of included spacers

I'm really enjoying my Shiv TT, but have a few recommendations.
1) the Stock arm pads/cups are genuinely awful - 51 Speedshop or Aerocoach replacements are much better, IMHO
2) I really wish the basebar width was significantly narrower, and dropped away from the rider.
3) If you're going to rebuild it with Di2, the inside of the basebar gets awfully cramped, and it can be hard to get everything in there and get the stem cap down. Instead of following the specialized recommended Di2 eTube length recommendations, measure it and get the size you actually need.
4) It should have come with Di2 from the factory.
5) The website shows that it comes with an extra Turbo Cotton tire for the disc - it does not.
6) The Sitero will probably not work for you. I went to Boulder and had a fit at the Specialized center, and the guy that fit me said that nobody he's fit to one has kept the saddle.
7) Disc Brakes on a TT bike are the greatest thing ever.
8) It will clear 32 Road tires, barely.
9) But seriously, Disc brakes on a TT bike are the greatest thing ever.
10) There aren't many out there. I had a specialized store tell me that the bike was counterfeit and that Specialized wasn't making a Shiv TT any more, much less one in Disc. So...best to make sure whomever you have service/build it has a factory manual for the bike.


Thank you!
1) I like so much (in photo) Shiv arm pad but I’m ready with Aerocoach armpad and D2Z extensions;
3) I will mount Sram AXS 12v
6) I like so much Sitero but I have also ISM PN 3.0
7) I think that disc brakes are great in road bike but also for TT in roads like Lanzarote, Nice etc

Which size have you?

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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [enricobraglia] [ In reply to ]
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enricobraglia wrote:
GatorRacer wrote:
enricobraglia wrote:
I have just ordered a Shiv TT disc and I’m very excited for this! I have noticed that stack is 495 mm in all size (S M L) and maybe is a little bit low. I notice that handlebar have a slight tilt up so maybe it compensate a little bit the low stack. Do you think it could be possible to put a 1cm spacer under the stem (that is a traditional stem)
Sorry for my english!


Hi enricobraglia, no you cannot do this. The steerer is cut from the factory as-designed to be flush...if you were to try and space the cockpit system up, you would not have enough steerer to efficiently clamp the system.

The bike is designed to stack from the pedestals, and not the basebar.


Thank you! Maybe the handlebar can gain some mm of stack?



Hi enricobraglia,

Since this is the SHIV Tri thread and NOT the Shiv TT thread, it would be helpful to others to move this conversation to the other thread. Anyway, the information you are looking for is as follows:


The basebar only offers 2mm of rise...the distance from the upper bearing is ~45mm shown below. You cannot change the stack of the basebar so it doesnt really matter.


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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [GatorRacer] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you Gatorracer and sorry for my posts in the wrong thread 👍🏻
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [GatorRacer] [ In reply to ]
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The basebar only offers 2mm of rise...the distance from the upper bearing is ~45mm shown below. You cannot change the stack of the basebar so it doesnt really matter.

Were there any basebars made that were narrower and lower? Prototype purposes or whatever? Just curious why the decision was made just for no-rise 40's.

also, idk if you are the person to thank for this, but thank you for going to a BSA BB. Oh so much. (and for once, not being sarcastic).
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [RKW] [ In reply to ]
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RKW wrote:
GatorRacer wrote:

The basebar only offers 2mm of rise...the distance from the upper bearing is ~45mm shown below. You cannot change the stack of the basebar so it doesnt really matter.


Were there any basebars made that were narrower and lower? Prototype purposes or whatever? Just curious why the decision was made just for no-rise 40's.

also, idk if you are the person to thank for this, but thank you for going to a BSA BB. Oh so much. (and for once, not being sarcastic).

Different bar shapes were evaluated in prototyping but the last generation TT was fixed also (other than a few custom bars) and the feedback from Pro Tour riders was generally positive in this regard.

TT is not tri and the time spent in the basebar if quite minimal. The focus on the TT was Aero and Weight so having the most efficient structure as possible was priority. Also in TT you can routinely be sprinting at the start and finish unlike in Tri, so the stiffness does come into play...the Aggressive position is preferred for aerodynamic reasons mainly, and offering bars of multiple stacks is not feasible on a low volume bike. Being lower is better for technical descents at high speeds when the extensions may not be enough

The TT bike is quite a specialist tool and admittedly doesnt offer as much fit flexibility...this is evident by the limited stack range offering which reduce frontal area, and the bikes only varying in reach.
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [GatorRacer] [ In reply to ]
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I change my order and I switch to Shiv Triathlon disc instead Shiv TT disc. Too low stack for me.
Now I am in topic 😄
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [Andyukr] [ In reply to ]
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Andyukr wrote:
Hi all.

My seat post according to retul is 758mm. Would somebody be able to tell me the amount of space I would have between my seat and the top of the water reservoir cover at the back. Would I be able to have a bottle fitted in between the two? ( similar set up as on this webpage https://www.triathlete.com/...rks-shiv-disc_377645.

Also
Any news on Shimano 12 for tt bikes by any chance?

I don’t understand how the bottle is fixed! 🧐
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [enricobraglia] [ In reply to ]
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enricobraglia wrote:
Andyukr wrote:
Hi all.

My seat post according to retul is 758mm. Would somebody be able to tell me the amount of space I would have between my seat and the top of the water reservoir cover at the back. Would I be able to have a bottle fitted in between the two? ( similar set up as on this webpage https://www.triathlete.com/...rks-shiv-disc_377645.

Also
Any news on Shimano 12 for tt bikes by any chance?


I don’t understand how the bottle is fixed! 🧐

That bottle isnt actually a "bottle"...its cut open on the top and secured to the hydration system to act as a funnel for refilling on the fly.

I dont recommend it for most people due to the possibility of contamination coming out of the water, or from perspiration in general
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [enricobraglia] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like others have tried the same. Search for levi hauwert

Or here https://www.instagram.com/...igshid=1qsysql4srkzm
Last edited by: Andyukr: Feb 14, 20 13:36
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Re: S-WORKS SHIV DISC 2019 IS HERE [GatorRacer] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Gator 👍🏻
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