The device we used on Lionel is the Gizmo.
However there is a smaller, easier to use and much less expensive version intended for people that want to monitor their aero. It is about to go through a pretty intense shakeout with Lionel and some world tour riders and their coaches.

I’m just disappointed we didn’t get a Brian Stover cameo. :)

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this is like Star Wars, there is more than one episode you know.

Now you are speaking my language, may the Force be with you.

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No. It's on the list. Problem was the list was getting pretty long.

However we did try the "rolling" side to side. We did a superficial test and saw 3 watts but that really needs to be repeated.

I know Lionel want to try going to 0 and maybe negative.

I doubt negative will be good but hey, I don't trust the aero eyeball.

On the other hand, I may stop aero testing completely and become a professional youtuber. My channel saw an infinite increase in popularity going from 0 subscribers to 3. All this with 0 content. Pretty impressive. I am waiting for my royalty cheque. I suspect there is more money in this than aero stuff.

Speaking of testing are you based out of Tucson area? Maybe a one off, but if not where do you test? (if you test regular civilians that is).

I am not in Tucson, I am up in the great white North.
But Brian Stover (Desert Dude) is and he tests with the device I use.

those two (whose post racing careers did not fall flat...) did not have the immense power of social media and the internet that we see today. I'd argue that LS is more of a household triathlon name than both of those guys, even at their peaks, they probably didn't eclipse the popularity and notoriety of LS.

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Celebrity endorsement. I have tested 2X with Marc and Brian. In my last test I went from .23 to .21. YRMV. Coincidently, my bars are tilted 15 degrees.

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Another great, fun and informative video from Lionel. I was about to start a indoor training ride, opened Youtube and voila, this video showed up. What a treat!! There is a couple of things LS is missing when he talks about 2016-2017 era performance. He was younger and more masculine than now. He just brute forced through his bike leg back then. It's better late than never, so I'm glad he's finding all these little things. I don't like that ugly POC helmet that Mika has been using, but have no problem with it if LS can ride faster wearing it. POC should contact him and sponsor him like right now. Here's your chance to dominate the aero helmet market. :-)

He commented that even if it was break even, he found it more vented, less noisy and better visibility. But I think he wants to test other helmets. He just happened to have that one there.

I think he realizes, as all pros should, that you pick the fastest helmet and you sell the real estate on it to a non helmet sponsor.

Where did they do the testing please?

Bryan (BryanCD) was tested twice. The first time I was present and was showing Brian (Desert dude) how to operate the device. Brian later tested Bryan on his own although I did review results with him. Both times were done in Tucson, but Brian (the tester) does travel.

How does one get ahold of Brian for a consult? I too would want my CDA below as hell.

DM on here or on IG!

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How does one get ahold of Brian for a consult? I too would want my CDA below as hell.

https://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ername=desert%20dude

 Video was good, follow with Marc even better. Thanks for the further detail. I’ve always been a big believer in this, but pretty sure this will be eye opening for some! Will be interesting to see if Sam and Trevor will do the same.

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Did I miss the video where he announced he was transitioning?

Well, even if he did he'd still likely get run down by Sodaro in Kona...

How easy or relevant would it be for the average age grouper (like me) to replicate some of this testing but without the fancy equipment? It was eye opening to see how what seemed like a simple change made such a difference (arm position) and whether you could find something similar but in a less scientifically accurate way.

I'm thinking i could head to a 2km stretch near me, take my 2 bikes (TT vs aero road with aero bars), do a set of out and backs with each at a specific power level, check the times, hopefully one is faster than another, do another session with the winning bike and different hand positions, another session (winning bike and winning hand position) with different helmets, another session with race gear on (tri suit. disc cover, wax chain etc)

Has anyone done anything like that and found notable differences or would there likely be 1 or 2 seconds difference per test which without the very specific data behind it would be difficult to justify changes (maybe a car went past me on one of the runs and altered my time slightly)?

Definitely agree. For the stuff that is so individual to performance, like TT helmets & maybe even running shoes.
Makes far more sense to test and then use what is best for you. Than just go with a sponsor for a bit of cash.


Remember at the start of the super shoes arms race, when Nike was the only optoin.
Athletes sponsored by other companies would use mark pens to hide the Nike logo

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You did miss the part where he got ride of the 'tache.

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I'm going to be testing in Australia in early January in NSW and ACT, can go elsewhere in the country. Have 6-7 slots still open if anyone is interested. Right now all the testing is in NSW and ACT. Would love to go back to WA (I heart Perth) but need a number of people to make it worthwhile.

I can test in Tucson anytime. Since the Gizmo is small I can fly anywhere to test. PM or email, both are in my profile

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WOW that sounds GREAT!

I would love to have a custom aero testing by myself but can’t pay for the airfare, hotel and the testing etc

Would be great if we could get a group in one place

Anyone up for Central FL or Upstate SC?

Maybe you could have a ‘signup sheet for larger cities?

Just an idea. If you are not interested I understand