I appreciate putting some further numbers to it. Any reason your model shows such a significant difference compared to Trek's numbers?

I'd also be curious what the difference would be if you incorporated some of the changes to the old SC. For instance, add a giant aero water bottle instead of the small Elite bottle, throw on some Vision TFE or Drag2Zero ergo extensions, and swap to aero optimized wheels that work best with the old fork and frame.

I was leaving it unsaid that they had to hide everything else to make up for un-hiding the calipers.

That is worth discussion. I just checked the U.S. "big 3" of Specialized, Trek, and Cannondale, and they've all completely abandoned all but the top end for tri/TT bikes. The updated Specialized Shiv is now years old and they've yet to trickle it down to below $9K. The disc SuperSlice still isn't for sale at all, which may be a whole other story.

Hopefully Trek is just profit-taking on an initial release and comes out with some affordable builds next year or something.

At least Cervelo and Canyon are still interested in the <$4K triathlete/TTer, both with really sharp looking 105 builds.

I'm only using the aero data - they are adding in the effect of tyre CRR. Plus my model isn't using a simplistic weighted average yaw (I don't know that they are, just that it's common)


Some of your options will make the SC2 worse. D2Z could go either way.
We could only know that, for an individual, with testing on that individual.

That makes sense on the difference in savings. I guess that also shows you can achieve a majority of the savings by wheel and tire choice. Regarding the D2Z extensions being an unknown without testing and vary on a rider-by-rider basis, could you assume the same about their claims with their new extension shape and design. I thought I remembered them saying the shape provided the same benefit that other similar type extensions do by providing an extended aero profile in front of the forearm.

Glad I had my "Life Alert" on me when I saw $8800 for bike with a Rival group set.

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So if you build a bike by yourself (which I did with my 2019 SC) you can save a lot of money.
Sc 2022 Frame 4500
DA di2 Groupset 2500
Wheels 1500
Saddle 200
Cockpit 500 ?

So my build is around $9000.. cheaper thsn $14500 MSRP.
Well the new bike didn’t really impress me, so I will keep my current speed concept few more yesrs until I see something on a market which Will really interest me.

I like the look of the new SC, but I can't afford the spike (anticipated) in price. I really like the look of the Gen 2 SC and it's still a top level bike. I think we all need to remember that we still have to pedal these bikes. I can't imagine the 10k price will increase our speeds nearly what we want it to.

I'm with you, I'll wait another 2 to 3 years and consider getting it when the prices drop. Otherwise, I'll look for a used one. I still personally don't get the "need" for disc brakes on a TT bike.

Honestly, I would love to have the money for TREK to build me a custom Gen 2 version with the 800 level carbon.

I'm curious about the isospeed, but wonder if that will have complications as well.

Any info on weight of the bike?!

What ya wanna know? Weight data is all on http://www.trekbikes.com/speed-concept currently, but if you don't see something, let me know!

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The frame is $5k. And that doesn’t include the front end which is probably another $700-1200.

You aren’t exactly comparing apples to apples here. Thar sc price tag ($13500) comes with da 9200/red axs and Aeolus RSL wheels. You aren’t getting DA 9200 or red axs for $2500. 9100… I can see. Same goes for the wheels.

That’s not to say building up a frame isn’t a good idea. If you are willing and want to take the time source used or older model components, I think it makes sense and a great way to save some money.

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I’m still not feeling ready to pay more for a TT bike than for a Ducati.

Seriously. The mind boggles how a Ducati can be cheaper, yet here we are.

I was at the Cyclologic event last night.

First off the bikes are beautiful in person. Trek still has the best in paint design. They are obviously well thought out.

The RSL75 was amazing. Optimized for 26-28mm. I couldn’t believe how wide it felt.

People were talking about IsoSpeed. The comments from the pros were that us was instantly noticeable from riding gen2. That it was really amazing. They did have 2 local guys ride the bike to get some real world testing. I was talking to one of them before the event and he said the day he test rode it, he sold his other TT bike. He took it out on the Beeline and could hardly feel the normal bumps. 2nd guy said the same thing. He rode it, called a guy who wanted to buy his TT already, and sold it.

They had a Di2 ultegra 12sp build on display. Wow that is a nice group set. The FD is almost gone it’s so small. They hydro brake levers are as well.

The one thing I did ask is about swapping rotor size. 160 is standard but you can go 140.

Last thing…. Ben and TO are both jealous of Holly’s Crome blue bike. Lol

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The BTA bottle is convenient, but those armrests are just SO damn wide..!!!

THeir feedback on IosSpeed is my exact same impressions when I got my Madone. Simply amazing, and I'm not one to throw that word around lightly.

When T.O. makes it to Kona he will get what he wants ;)

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Hey Mitch,

My closest shop is working on my order for me, but I haven’t been asked about pursuit bar or pedestal configurations. Is that something I should call and clarify?

Thanks!

I was also at the event last night, and want to echo the paint comments. "First Light," the paint job from the Olympics, looks AMAZING in person. the deepness of the red at the bottom is intense, and the amount of clear coat is crazy. Really stunning!

The biggest downsides I noticed, aside from the price:

1. The flat storage is tiny, which Dan mentioned in his article. I'm not on tubeless yet, but I'd be a little wary of using this bike for long course with regular clinchers, because you're not going to have room for a second tube or second CO2. You'd probably want a saddlebag for training just for the peace of mind of the extra spares. Perhaps I am just overly risk averse?
2. The aero frame bottle is fairly small. It's probably perfect if you use as designed, and carry concentrated liquid (nutrition or electrolytes) and add plain water with it to the BTA bottle. But if you don't use a concentrated bottle, then it doesn't seem big enough to be useful from a hydration standpoint.

Aside from those things, and the price (no getting around that!), it looks like a fantastic bike. The top tube storage looks great. It would have been awesome if they had loaded a few of the bikes up with gu or shot blocks or something to demonstrate how much it could carry, but it appears to be a ton.

Mitch, I don't think I have seen it. Are there built-in options for an upfront garmin mount? I'd imagine tri-bar mounts designed for round bars won't work on the bike.

Also, I haven't been up to date on P1 paint options. Is Vapor Coat no longer available?

There is a computer mount in project one under accessories.

Was there an option in the p1 order to select 140 or 160 rotors? I did mine over the phone and the shop never mentioned it.

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